What Happened In Leicester?

[sandyRoe]

A young man named Antoin Akpom is stabbed and the following night a house is firebombed and a mother with her three children die in the blaze.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24076859

[sp1814]

jomifi

It has always been a racial epithet. It was coined by Bernard Manning in the 70s.

[sp1814]

jomifi

Sorry - 90s:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/oct/26/race.immigrationpolicy1

[sp1814]

AOG

We are talking about a possible revenge attack. Not honour killings or gang-related attacks.

This has more in common with the Philpotts and Ms Smith.

[jomifl]

The dog/stable line is something that I will always highlight as being extremely offensive.
I think you are missing NJ's point and are reading into it what was not intended.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// So AOG...I'm not British? ///

It is dependant on what you wish to call yourself, how you act, your particular taste for certain things, and how you dress etc, etc. but unfortunately you cannot be a 'Native Briton'.

How many Black Americans class themselves as African American yet they or their parents have never seen Africa?

Come to that even white Americans cannot class themselves as native Americans.

[jomifl]

sp, I was unaware of the origins of the 'dog/stable' quote and can understand your point of view. Culturally I have no connection with Bernard Manning or his odious views and have always avoided watching any TV program that included him. If NJ's reference was indeed to the original quote then it was ill chosen

[ummmm]

I don't know anyone who would carry out revenge attack such as this but I know plenty of white British that would carry out a revenge attack.

I know someone who was stabbed 37 times because he got into a fight with someone and won....

[humbersloop]

What's a //Native Briton//?

[sp1814]

AOG

So if I identify myself culturally as British, then I'm British, right?

Which means he dog/stable quote is null and void?

[sp1814]

And forget 'native Briton'...no-one is debating the meaning of that.

[sp1814]

AOG

"How many Black Americans class themselves as African American yet they or their parents have never seen Africa?"

Eh?

You mean like Irish Americans and Italian American?

They are all American.

Could you imagine a white American saying to an African American - "You ain't American...you're just born here".

Madness...it would never happen.

[jackthehat]

How many generations does one have to go back to qualify as a native Briton?

And if one has an 'incomer' on a branch, does that nullify one's entitlement to be seen as a native Briton?

I, too, find the dog/stable quote to be distasteful.......and infuriating.

[humbersloop]

I'm not debating it sp, I'm genuinely intrigued

[Gromit]

The dog in stable phrase has cropped up before on AB




// my racist alcoholic granny who says things like "Just because a dog is born in a stable doesn't make it a horse" when referring to people of Asian descent who are born in Britain. I certainly couldn't listen rationally to anyone who argued those points. //
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question429465.html

// But because they were born here doesn't make them British. 
A dog can be born in a stable but it doesn't make it a horse. //
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question768482-2.html


New Judge
// As an admittedly very racist comedian once quipped, “Just because a dog is born in a stable, it does not make him a horse”. He said it to get a cheap laugh, but I think he had a point. //
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1079471.html

[humbersloop]

..as jack said

[Sqad]

http://photography.juliaclaxton.net/wnbrb2012/h3d9f2fdd#h3d9f2fdd

Well you did ask humber.......

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// F W De Klerk...///

/// African or not? ///

/// In my eyes, the man is most certainly African, and it has nothing to do with his skin colour. ///

If it is nothing to do with skin colour how is it that South Africa hasn't had a white president since F W De Klerk?

Were these also African?

Nicolaas Johannes Diederichs,

Balthazar Johannes Vorster,

P. W. Botha

[hc4361]

I am shocked by NJ's comment - it is extremely offensive and there is no other way of looking at it.

[humbersloop]

ta squad

and not a daub of woad between them :-)

[ummmm]

Sqad - What The Funicular?