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Gay Pupils Insulted By Homophobic Phrases

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mushroom25 | 12:37 Mon 18th Nov 2013 | News
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/24984781

the word "Gay", from the French "gai", meaning joyful or bright and showy, was increasingly appropriated in the last century to mean a particular lifestyle associated with orientation. Now it's been appropriated by others to mean something else.

Language is constantly evolving; is this something that the LGBTI community needs to "get over", or is the word "gay" now irrevocably locked to its 20th century meaning?
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Well, I was paying less attention in the 1990s. But he appears to have mellowed rather a lot since then.
I think Peter Tatchell is a bit of a hero.

I think he's brave.

He rubs some people up the wrong way, but sometimes that's what it takes.

If you look at the world he lived in as a 19 year old and the world of a 19 year old now - well, it's the arguments that Mr Tatchell has put across and the fact that he's stood up to be counted that have helped the debate along.

I'm pretty sure he's said a lot of stuff I disagree with - but he's also said a lot that I DO agree with.

And the term 'militant gay' basically translates to any gay person who demands the same rights as everyone else.

It's lost it's meaning - a bit like the word 'feminist' (which now basically covers any woman who demands equal treatment to a bloke).
Well said sp.
jomifi

"I don't hink the militant gays such as Peter Tatchel have done their fellow gays any favours"

You may think that - but gay people I know don't. And I know quite a lot.
strangely, there still seems to be a lot of people who favour 'don't ask, don't tell'
If the increasingly varied use of the word "gay" is so offensive and distressing, how are we going to stand with things like Monty Python.

The Australian philosophers.

Read the rules Bruce.

Rule number one. No poofters.

Rule number two. No poofters.

Rule number three. There is no ... rule number three.

Rule number four. No poofters.

etc
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that's another thing that monty python got a bit wrong -

not only is Australian table wine revered world-wide instead of being a vintage for laying down and avoiding or being guaranteed to open the sluices at both ends....

.....but on the beach, Bruce is more likely to be holding hands with Malcolm, rather than Sheila.
I haven' the time to read the whole thread but I do remember The Flintstones promising viewers a "gay old time".

Then there was Enid Blyton's Noddy. Big Ears sometimes slept over, sharing Noddy's bed. He woke up "feeling a little queer".
What's to stand for jj? That was 40 years ago now, more than in fact, and times have changed. Comedy that relies on homosexuality as the punchline is going to be dated soon enough, if not already -- but sometimes it really is quite funny, and in many such jokes there seems to be an undertone that the humour isn't the homosexuality itself, but rather the hypocrisy of some people's attitudes towards it.

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indeed Jim. I'm sure the rest of the team were in tune with Graham Chapman.
But people don't get that, Jim.

The humour of Love Thy Neighbour wasn't the race aspect, but the hypocrisy of the attitudes of the two sets of neighbours.

But it still doesn't get shown on Sky Gold.
Well, not everyone can see beyond the joke. But I don't agree with censoring the past. Not that you do either necessarily? Never having seen Love Thy Neighbour I don't know what that's like. But I have seen things like A Bit of Fry and Laurie, or Fawlty Towers, or Monty Python, and in all cases there are jokes about racism and homosexuality where it's the racist or homophobe that is the butt of the joke really, so I'm assuming Love Thy Neighbour is going to be similar. Shame that some people don't realise that.
You didn't miss much, Jim.

It was a bit of a one gag series.

The white neighbour calls the black neighbour n i g n o g and s a m b o.

The black neighbour calls the white neighbour h o n k y.

The audience laughed at their bigoted attitudes. That was about it. It wasn't all that funny, really. You can only use a "banana boat" joke so many times.

Thinking about it, maybe the reason it's not on Sky Gold is that it was just a bit feeble.
Hey jj, one of the Love Thy Neighbour cast is an East Ender now.
Really ??

I would ask which one, but I don't really know any of the Eastenders people.
Maybe that explains it better!
What's the formula or equation in your avatar, Jim?

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I think his name is Rudolf Walker, jj.
Up to a heavy abuse of notation, it's the Standard Model of Particle Physics, and in some sense therefore describes pretty much everything we know so far apart from gravity.

I'd love to try to explain it a bit more but somehow a thread about the word "gay" and homophobia seems not necessarily the place...
Ahaa!

I wondered if it was something significant.

And it is.

Well, certainly compared with my jogger with a seagull, anyway, lol

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