Rock Singer Pleads Guilty To Attempted Rape Of Baby

[ChillDoubt]

and other offences:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25108439

Throw away the key.......

[andy-hughes]

Chilldoubt, i was also very fond of introducing and Showaddywaddy single with the immortal lines - an appropriate accent, which is quite easy with a good microphone -

"And now ladies and gentlemen, guys and gals, the very wonderful Showaddy .....waddy .... thank you so much ....."

another avenue of innocent pleasure closed off by the discovered horrors that famous people do horrible things too.

[andy-hughes]

Chilldoubt - "Maybe most are just too incredulous at what they've read."

Maybe so - i for one will be hugging my family around me a little closer, metaphircally,and literally as soon as an opportunity comes up.

Te line that is lodged in my head is the alleged comment from one of these mothers that 'She must understand that mummy and Daddy don't love her ..."

That is too cold to be endured.

[sp1814]

Just to add something...if someone I admired turned out to be fatally flawed (I appreciate the understatement in this situation), I would feel personally disappointed in them.

I know that doesn't make sense, but I'll try to explain...there are a small number of celebrities who have entertained me over the past few decades, and because of this, you form a sort of connection with them...you 'like' them, even though you've never met them.

And when you find out that they're a scumbag...it makes you (or rather, me) feel sad...like they've let you (me) down in some way.

[ludwig]

// My issue is that spouting vein-throbbing threats and wishes on here helps no-one, and yet these threads create such a reaction every time. //

Stop being so pompous. If people want to vent their anger at what he's done on here, why shouldn't they? Isn't it partly what this kind of forum is for?
Better than trying to go off and inflict violence on people for real surely?

[boingo]

sp1814, I feel the same. I'm not sure if we are of a similar age, but quite a few of the celebrities being investigated were my childhood favourites.

[pixie373]

Yes, sp. It makes me feel as though i have bad judgement there.

[voulezvous]

I grew up with Paul Gadd's music. Didn't want to lose it, as it's just cheesy pop that I enjoyed at the time.
However, some of those lyrics, when listened to now, with what we know make me cringe.
I dare say, though, that many bands of the era had similar lyrics but have not been tainted by what we now know.
I felt sick reading the Watkins stuff. I wish I could un-read it. I'm glad the jury were spared in the end.

[ChillDoubt]

I agree boingo.
When I first heard about the Stuart Hall revelations I was shocked, then to see his demeanour when saying he intended to fight the allegations when first charged it felt like utter betrayal, but then it must have felt ten times worse for his victims.
To think of his infectious laughter during It's A Knockout and his elaborate, masterful use of the English language when reporting on a dour football match was something to behold.

[boingo]

That's the thing though Pixie. Someone said earlier (sorry, I can't find it) how you imagine child abusers to be like dirty old men in macs, or words to that effect. Unfortunately, I know from experience that it isn't always the case. As for women child abusers, especially mothers, I find it extremely difficult to come to terms with.

[sp1814]

boingo

You wrote:

"As for women child abusers, especially mothers, I find it extremely difficult to come to terms with."

I agree, and I think it's because it breaks a biological law that we all subconsciously believe in...that a mother is the ultimate 'safe harbour', and that women will always protect children.

This has been discussed at length on other threads, but it supports what I've just said...if I saw a distressed child on the street, as a man, I would only feel comfortable approaching that child if I had a woman with me...almost like insurance against people thinking I was 'dodgy'.

So when you read of cases like this (and that female nursery teacher a couple of years ago) - it's difficult to get your brain around it.

[boingo]

sp, I've had this discussion with many family and friends and I find it sad that many men feel that they can't show affection, help or put their arm around a child in case it is perceived as something else. My Dad saw a child lost in a supermarket and was so torn as to whether he should approach the child or not. Fortunately, the child found his Mum before my Dad had decided what to do. It is a shame that some evil people have made others, mainly men, wary of showing their kind and caring nature for fear of being accused of something they find abhorrent.

[Zeuhl]

Agree boingo

and sadly it is a particularly British obsession

For my own part I refuse to be deterred from talking or interacting with children when appropriate

Otherwise it's a tacit agreement that we are all under suspicion

[knockavacca]

why all the debate, just give him a fare trial , and then SHOOT HIM, END OF

[andy-hughes]

sp1814 - to respond to an earlier post from you -

"That's the thing...to me finding a baby sexually arousing is something I simply can't work out.

It's almost like finding cardboard sexy or the smell of diesel fuel."

I don't believe the arousal is sexual in the conventional sense. The arousal is about power and control, and what is more powerless and easy to control than a baby?

It's the same impulse that drives rape - rape is not about sex, it's about robbery with violence.

That is why anyone with a rational and normally emotional response to the notions of sexual attraction finds these crimes so hard to comprehend - it is the workings of a seriously damaged mind, and it defies anything approaching logic or rational thought.

[voulezvous]

I'm sure our response should be measured, we are not animals. But I defy anyone to hear what this man has done without having a basic human reaction. That will include "string him up" and various things along the same lines.
What this man has done is sickening.
I'm not sure I'm ready to worry about how "he" is going to get on.
I don't know the answers, nor what we should do with people like this, but it's very very easy right now to hope that he pays a price. I'll just have to live with myself for wishing him ill. I'm only human.

[naomi24]

//My issue is that spouting vein-throbbing threats and wishes on here helps no-one, and yet these threads create such a reaction every time. //

So what? Men like him deserve everything they get!

[ummmm]

I disagree with you Andy. The arousal IS sexual. It has nothing to do with control as babies are already under our control.

Adult rape is about control.

[andy-hughes]

ummm - Obviously neither of us know for sure, but as sp1814 has commented, it is difficult to grasp the sexual attraction of a baby, other than, as I say, the control element.

Perhaps it is an extension of the control exerted on the baby's mother - what more control can someone have over a woman than the ability to make her hand over her child like this!

[lilypoppyfre]

there is should be no treatment for such people ..money in the health service should be used to treat ill people....depraved characters like Watkins and the like should be jailed immediately , with no comfort and privileges.

unfortunately, psychiatrists and do-gooders will get a lot of money to "treat" those wretches....

[mrs_overall]

Dare I say this, but as a mother I find the behaviour of the two women more abhorrent than that of this man