Guesthouse Couple Lose Supreme Court Battle.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2514353/Christian-guesthouse-owners-lose-Supreme-Court-battle-ordered-pay-damages-turning-away-gay-couple.html

Just thought I would enter this on behalf of sp1814, because I think he may be a little shy considering that he has been criticising me for repeating the same stories even though mine were years apart.

[jackthehat]

This was a legal issue, jomifl.......and the Bulls lost.

[Kromovaracun]

"If a gay guesthouse owner told me I couldn't stay because I was 'straight' I would just stay somewhere else, why try and stay somewhere where you aren't welcome."

Well, because the law states that people who are operating a business aren't allowed to make you feel unwelcome purely on grounds of your sexual orientation - because the law is written on the assumption that all consensual adult lifestyles that don't harm others are valid.

There's also the fact that, if you remember, the B&B's "christian" credentials weren't heavily advertised on its website, and the couple were turned away upon arriving.

[sp1814]

jomifl

It didn't happen like that.

They had booked beforehand and only once they arrived were they told that they could not have a double room, because they were gay.

So for no fault of their own, they were forced to find another guest house late in the evening.

They then decided this was not acceptable.

Two courts have agreed with them.

[andy-hughes]

jomifl - "Jack If a gay guesthouse owner told me I couldn't stay because I was 'straight' I would just stay somewhere else, why try and stay somewhere where you aren't welcome. I think tolerance and' live and let live' works both ways."

I can;t find anywhere that jack has suggested an instance of a gay guest house owner turning a straight guest away on the grounds of sexuality - have I missed something?

But while on the point - that would be sexual discrimination, and I would hope that said owner was prosecuted.

Like i said, the law is the law, not the law unless your faith says yon don't have to bother obeying it.

[Peter Pedant]

sp1814 - I havent seen you say - thank you AOG for the favour

AOG // he has been criticising me for repeating the same stories even though mine were years apart. // I know I am going to regret this ,,, but
whihc stories or more to the point - which points were you making years apart.

The minority is always right - Ibsen - Enemy of the people

Be right 20 y in advance - everyone thinks you are mad, be right 5 y in advance and they all think you are a prophet

The hotel couple if they are gonna trade bave to abide by the law.....
and it can be very expensive if you dont,,,,

[jomifl]

Did they not have to stay somewhere else anyway? as I said vindictive. I would expect better from a sensitive and caring gay couple. Whereas they bigoted christians behaved ... like bigoted christians. What did I miss?

[shoota]

"But while on the point - that would be sexual discrimination, and I would hope that said owner was prosecuted."

Not true Andy, Sexual Discrimination legislation applies to what sex you are not how you get your jollies.

[sp1814]

jomifl

"Did they not have to stay somewhere else anyway?"

Yes.

And how do you know the couple are caring and sensitive?

[sp1814]

Peter Pedant

Huh?

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about...but that doesn't mean I'm not enjoying it!

[Kromovaracun]

"I would expect better from a sensitive and caring gay couple. "

I don't know what kind of cartoon image you have in your head of gay people, jom, but they are just people like anyone else. And like anyone else, they get annoyed when self-righteous Christians discriminate against them illegally and perhaps don't feel particularly inclined to just put up with it.

[jackthehat]

Vindictive for refusing to accept that they were being illegally discriminated against? What a peculiar notion.....

My partner and I have stayed in many hotels, etc. and it has never occurred to me to 'warn', or ask ,the proprietors in advance if the nature of our relationship might sully their establishment.

I would also feel tremendously aggrieved, to have to spend a portion of my time away trying to find alternative accommodation......

[ummmm]

Wasn't it a dog friendly guesthouse and that's why they chose it?

[naomi24]

SP, you really ought to tell Jom, you know. It’s his word - he led me astray. ;o)

To be perfectly honest, I’d rather they had treated it with the contempt it deserved.

Actually, I find all these funny words and acronyms rather juvenile. If gays want to be treated equally, why make such a fuss about being gay - and why stereotype people? Doesn’t that encourage divide? I don’t understand that.

[andy-hughes]

shoota - ""But while on the point - that would be sexual discrimination, and I would hope that said owner was prosecuted."

Not true Andy, Sexual Discrimination legislation applies to what sex you are not how you get your jollies."

Thanks for that - like a man in orthopaedic shoes, I stand corrected.

(Adopts Jazz Man voice - "Jollies? Mmmmm, nice!"

[pixie373]

They weren't vindictive, they were treated like rubbish and proved it. Are Christians supposed to be judgemental?

[andy-hughes]

jack - "My partner and I have stayed in many hotels, etc. and it has never occurred to me to 'warn', or ask ,the proprietors in advance if the nature of our relationship might sully their establishment."

That's because people are always willing to assume that two women will be friends who don't mind sharing, but two men must be at it like rabbits, no doubt with coke and rent boys on the side!

[shoota]

Jolly nice ;-)

[Kromovaracun]

"Actually, I find all these funny words and acronyms rather juvenile."

The "camps" sp is describing are largely just within the gay community and aren't taken all that seriously. Well, not in my experience anyway....

[LazyGun]

@Andy "That's because people are always willing to assume that two women will be friends who don't mind sharing, but two men must be at it like rabbits, no doubt with coke and rent boys on the side!"

Maybe they knew the "Crystal Methodist" Mr. Flowers, and their assumptions were formed out of that knowledge? :)

[DTCwordfan]

Bugger me......am I surprised - No.

Where was the Bishop of Truro in all of this? Nowhere to be seen. Typical and a prime example of how the Curch has lost its moral fibre and leadership.