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Social Media Backlash Against Russia
I notice there are a lot of 'boycott the Winter Olympics' and protest posts against the Russian attitude towards the LGBT community; and quite rightly so.
Also we have seen a lot on the TV and in the press covering this topic ahead of the winter Olympics.
I wonder if this will be repeated for the World Cup in Qatar in 4 years time to protest against the Islamic communities attitudes to homosexuality - or maybe even closer to home?
Are people afraid to criticize Islamic attitudes for fear of being branded racist?
Also we have seen a lot on the TV and in the press covering this topic ahead of the winter Olympics.
I wonder if this will be repeated for the World Cup in Qatar in 4 years time to protest against the Islamic communities attitudes to homosexuality - or maybe even closer to home?
Are people afraid to criticize Islamic attitudes for fear of being branded racist?
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LG; A typical 'outraged' response from you, along with the now familiar insults. It is not I who use "false equivalence" but you. Teenage girls being groomed for sex is regrettable of course, but they are older, and bear no comparison in numbers to the amount very young vulnerable boys who have been sexually assaulted by predatory homosexual men, be they teachers, priests or whatever.
If you don't know that for a fact, you are living in a different world from most of us.
As I said above, not all homosexuals are paedophiles, but a lot are, why do you think the likes of the odious Peter Tatchel are so keen to have the age of consent lowered? I'll tell you why, so they can bugger our children with impunity. I know of no heterosexual men crying out for such measures.
If you don't know that for a fact, you are living in a different world from most of us.
As I said above, not all homosexuals are paedophiles, but a lot are, why do you think the likes of the odious Peter Tatchel are so keen to have the age of consent lowered? I'll tell you why, so they can bugger our children with impunity. I know of no heterosexual men crying out for such measures.
Khandro, the more you right, the more I'm convinced that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about on the subject of homosexuality.
"not all homosexuals are paedophiles, but a lot are, "
Prove it. Don't just rely on random individual examples in the media - this is not valuable as evidence of anything wider than those examples. I can explain why if you like.
Actually show me a well-researched estimate of the proportion of homosexuals engaged in paedophilia before you make such vile assertions. If you can't show me that, you haven't got a leg to stand on.
Getting back to the Russian law for a moment, Khandro, can you tell how you would feel if (and this is only hypothetical) the UK parliament were to pass a series of laws along the following lines:
- No child can be subject to promotion of any religion.
- No religious propaganda is allowed in any place where a child might be exposed to it.
- It is a crime to offend the non-religious by spreading religious propaganda.
- [Proposed:] Social services are entitled to remove the children from religious parents.
(Other ABers: I'm more interested in Khandro's opinion on this and I recognise that this is not an exact parallel with the Russian law. I'm more interested in seeing how he would feel if these laws were altered to affect a group he cares about.)
"not all homosexuals are paedophiles, but a lot are, "
Prove it. Don't just rely on random individual examples in the media - this is not valuable as evidence of anything wider than those examples. I can explain why if you like.
Actually show me a well-researched estimate of the proportion of homosexuals engaged in paedophilia before you make such vile assertions. If you can't show me that, you haven't got a leg to stand on.
Getting back to the Russian law for a moment, Khandro, can you tell how you would feel if (and this is only hypothetical) the UK parliament were to pass a series of laws along the following lines:
- No child can be subject to promotion of any religion.
- No religious propaganda is allowed in any place where a child might be exposed to it.
- It is a crime to offend the non-religious by spreading religious propaganda.
- [Proposed:] Social services are entitled to remove the children from religious parents.
(Other ABers: I'm more interested in Khandro's opinion on this and I recognise that this is not an exact parallel with the Russian law. I'm more interested in seeing how he would feel if these laws were altered to affect a group he cares about.)
@Khandro Your bigotry shines through with each successive post.
"LG; A typical 'outraged' response from you, along with the now familiar insults. It is not I who use "false equivalence" but you. Teenage girls being groomed for sex is regrettable of course, but they are older, and bear no comparison in numbers to the amount very young vulnerable boys who have been sexually assaulted by predatory homosexual men, be they teachers, priests or whatever.
If you don't know that for a fact, you are living in a different world from most of us"
It was you who used a facile false equivalence. It was you that suggested that all heterosexual paedophilia amounted to teenaged girls gagging for it being touched up by DJs. This is a disgustingly facile false equivalence.
You still have not demonstrated a shred of evidence to support your notion that homosexual paedophilia is more frequent than its heterosexual counterpart - Much like your religious beliefs, it is just your faith in the absence of evidence.
And why is Peter Tatchell "odious", precisely? Come to that, you still have not explained the agenda of the alleged "homosexual lobby" you are so exercised about.
Its the same when you argue religion. Sweeping generalisations, Strawmen strewn across the landscape, and false equivalences abound.
"LG; A typical 'outraged' response from you, along with the now familiar insults. It is not I who use "false equivalence" but you. Teenage girls being groomed for sex is regrettable of course, but they are older, and bear no comparison in numbers to the amount very young vulnerable boys who have been sexually assaulted by predatory homosexual men, be they teachers, priests or whatever.
If you don't know that for a fact, you are living in a different world from most of us"
It was you who used a facile false equivalence. It was you that suggested that all heterosexual paedophilia amounted to teenaged girls gagging for it being touched up by DJs. This is a disgustingly facile false equivalence.
You still have not demonstrated a shred of evidence to support your notion that homosexual paedophilia is more frequent than its heterosexual counterpart - Much like your religious beliefs, it is just your faith in the absence of evidence.
And why is Peter Tatchell "odious", precisely? Come to that, you still have not explained the agenda of the alleged "homosexual lobby" you are so exercised about.
Its the same when you argue religion. Sweeping generalisations, Strawmen strewn across the landscape, and false equivalences abound.
I do not necessarily agree with Peter Tatchell's views on this, but they are not what you say they are, Khandro.
His stance is not simply that the age of consent be lowered to 14. He says it should be legal for those who have sex under 16 if they are doing so consensually *with people of a similar age*. If the age gap goes beyond a couple of years, in his view, then it should remain illegal (as is the case in Italy and Switzerland). In addition, laws against rape and sexual coercion still apply.
If you're interested in what Peter Tatchell actually has to say, rather than what is convenient for your argument, you can find it all laid out in the following link. Notice that there is a big grey box he put it above it saying that he considers adult-child sex immoral and he is not condoning sex under the age of 16.
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His stance is not simply that the age of consent be lowered to 14. He says it should be legal for those who have sex under 16 if they are doing so consensually *with people of a similar age*. If the age gap goes beyond a couple of years, in his view, then it should remain illegal (as is the case in Italy and Switzerland). In addition, laws against rape and sexual coercion still apply.
If you're interested in what Peter Tatchell actually has to say, rather than what is convenient for your argument, you can find it all laid out in the following link. Notice that there is a big grey box he put it above it saying that he considers adult-child sex immoral and he is not condoning sex under the age of 16.
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"The same posters on social media that are protesting against Russia put on the very day Lee Rigby got murdered 'Prepare for the Racist backlash' Is this a term of convenience?"
While I found some of the responses to the Rigby case extremely distasteful, I think 'racist'is something of a slippery term. Some seem to believe that Muslims themselves are innately barbaric, which veers close to racism but isn't quite the same because Muslims are a multiracial group.
While I found some of the responses to the Rigby case extremely distasteful, I think 'racist'is something of a slippery term. Some seem to believe that Muslims themselves are innately barbaric, which veers close to racism but isn't quite the same because Muslims are a multiracial group.
Some heterosexual men have an urge for sexual activity with young girls. Some homosexual men have an urge for sexual activity with young boys. It no more follows that that homosexual urge is typical or common of homosexual men than it does that that heterosexual urge is typical or common of heterosexual men.
Can anyone explain why it should be? It is just a perverted diversion from the normal behaviour and drives of each group, so why should it occur more in one than the other?
Can anyone explain why it should be? It is just a perverted diversion from the normal behaviour and drives of each group, so why should it occur more in one than the other?
> It is just a perverted diversion from the normal behaviour and drives of each group <
what you and me may class as perverted may not be classed as perverted by other people
> so why should it occur more in one than the other? <
in the past some parents would disown their son if he was gay as this was not normal and as one told me his first sex was in the toilets on the south coast at the age of 14 he soon had to start sleeping around to make money to survive
what you and me may class as perverted may not be classed as perverted by other people
> so why should it occur more in one than the other? <
in the past some parents would disown their son if he was gay as this was not normal and as one told me his first sex was in the toilets on the south coast at the age of 14 he soon had to start sleeping around to make money to survive
LG; //You still have not demonstrated a shred of evidence to support your notion that homosexual paedophilia is more frequent than its heterosexual counterpart -//
Your blinkered view of the world and the manner by which you wish to cover up the obvious atrocities carried out by your homosexual cohort beggars belief!
The previous pope; Benedict XVI, was criticised for not doing enough to stamp out homosexual assaults on children within the RC Church, and yet even he sacked 400 homosexual priests. How many more have been dismissed by the present Pope we don't know, Through my life I have witnessed any amount of vicars, boy scout leaders, managers of orphanages and worst of all teachers in prep. and public schools all convicted of attacks and molestation of young vulnerable boys. All this combined amounting to incalculable offences by predatory males, and yet you have the effrontery (or stupidity) to imply that this has no connection at all to paedophilia, and is equal to a counterpart of attacks against female children by heterosexual men. I ask again which world are you living in ?
Your blinkered view of the world and the manner by which you wish to cover up the obvious atrocities carried out by your homosexual cohort beggars belief!
The previous pope; Benedict XVI, was criticised for not doing enough to stamp out homosexual assaults on children within the RC Church, and yet even he sacked 400 homosexual priests. How many more have been dismissed by the present Pope we don't know, Through my life I have witnessed any amount of vicars, boy scout leaders, managers of orphanages and worst of all teachers in prep. and public schools all convicted of attacks and molestation of young vulnerable boys. All this combined amounting to incalculable offences by predatory males, and yet you have the effrontery (or stupidity) to imply that this has no connection at all to paedophilia, and is equal to a counterpart of attacks against female children by heterosexual men. I ask again which world are you living in ?
@ Khandro First you try and raise a false equivalence - young boys scarred and emotional,crying at age 60 at their abuse whilst a child - then you compare that with teenage girls, possibly willing targets for DJs! Minimising the impact on young girls of child sexual grooming and abuse in order to try and make your point is setting the bar pretty low, even by your standards.
What do you mean when you say "your homosexual cohort" in your last post to me?
For every single case of paedophilia involving men/boys, you will find far greater numbers of paedophilia of men/girls, equally disgusting, equally difficult and scarring for the child in question. That you reduce such a horrible practice to numbers, and your continuing inference that homosexuality predisposes to paedophilia is disgraceful.
Yet you still try to promote this false notion that somehow homosexuality is linked to paedophilia in a way that heterosexual orientation is not. This is bigotry, plain and simple.
What do you mean when you say "your homosexual cohort" in your last post to me?
For every single case of paedophilia involving men/boys, you will find far greater numbers of paedophilia of men/girls, equally disgusting, equally difficult and scarring for the child in question. That you reduce such a horrible practice to numbers, and your continuing inference that homosexuality predisposes to paedophilia is disgraceful.
Yet you still try to promote this false notion that somehow homosexuality is linked to paedophilia in a way that heterosexual orientation is not. This is bigotry, plain and simple.
LG; Whether you are a homosexual or not I neither know nor care, but your defence of them against all statistics and rationality puts you within their cohort. I quote the following from the Family Research Council;
"MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offences. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.
The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation."
I rest my case.
"MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offences. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.
The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation."
I rest my case.
The FRC.....!!!
And they don't of course, have any axe to grind do they?
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And they don't of course, have any axe to grind do they?
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A 2009 study in the Clinical Psychology Review (which unlike yours is peer-reviewed), using data from 65 studies across 22 countries found a 20% rate of abuse among young females, and an 8% rate of abuse among boys. In America, the CDC and DoJ estimates that 4% of boys and 11% of girls suffer sexual abuse as children.
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I find it rather telling that the only evidence you can offer is from an extremely biased, non-peer reviewed political activist group. You also offer anecdotal evidence, which has two problems:
First, for every one of your abusive scoutmasters, I personally know (at least) one gay man who has no interest in interfering with children. The same applies to anyone who actually knows gay people or anything about homosexuality.
Second, I am skeptical about your ability to correctly identify abusers. You cited Peter Tatchell as an example (and you've only actually given one other concrete example), and you were completely wrong.
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I find it rather telling that the only evidence you can offer is from an extremely biased, non-peer reviewed political activist group. You also offer anecdotal evidence, which has two problems:
First, for every one of your abusive scoutmasters, I personally know (at least) one gay man who has no interest in interfering with children. The same applies to anyone who actually knows gay people or anything about homosexuality.
Second, I am skeptical about your ability to correctly identify abusers. You cited Peter Tatchell as an example (and you've only actually given one other concrete example), and you were completely wrong.
fred never said you did i was just answering your question
> so why should it occur more in one than the other? <
it would be much easier for the male due to the answer i gave you, the young male on the street in the past would be more willing to participate to make a few bob to survive
the person who told me his story , his words
i am not proud of what i did but i had no other choice in those days there was not the same help available that there is today
> so why should it occur more in one than the other? <
it would be much easier for the male due to the answer i gave you, the young male on the street in the past would be more willing to participate to make a few bob to survive
the person who told me his story , his words
i am not proud of what i did but i had no other choice in those days there was not the same help available that there is today
You can also find this research by the Child Molestation Research and Prevention Network. This is a more impartial group who are interested in actually finding facts about child abuse in order to prevent it:
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It found that the overwhelming majority of abusers tend to abuse children in their families. It also found that over 70% identified themselves as heterosexual, and that 77% were married (or formerly married). Only 8% identified themselves as gay.
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It found that the overwhelming majority of abusers tend to abuse children in their families. It also found that over 70% identified themselves as heterosexual, and that 77% were married (or formerly married). Only 8% identified themselves as gay.
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