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I had to watch this twice until I believed what happened ! Apparently he was only given a community order. I presume that he is no longer a serving Policeman, but this looks to me like a serious assault. Shouldn't he have gone to jail ?
I had to watch this twice until I believed what happened ! Apparently he was only given a community order. I presume that he is no longer a serving Policeman, but this looks to me like a serious assault. Shouldn't he have gone to jail ?
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"Are we to believe that all this happened in the offices of the bl**dy defence lawyers ? Well, that takes the biscuit and answers my own question...the Plod involved is not only a thug but a particularly stupid one at that."
I do not think so, Mikey- that was my error. I think this happened in the back offices of the shop in question, but the footage is labelled as coming from Neumanns LLP, her solicitors.
I do not think so, Mikey- that was my error. I think this happened in the back offices of the shop in question, but the footage is labelled as coming from Neumanns LLP, her solicitors.
I refer people to my previous question about the Met ...
... just how many 'bad apples' are needed before we dump the whole barrel and bring some uncontaminated fruit in?
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... just how many 'bad apples' are needed before we dump the whole barrel and bring some uncontaminated fruit in?
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'He had claimed the woman was ‘snarling like a dog’ and bit him after telling him ‘I’ve got AIDS and I bite tramps like you.’
Pointing to the CCTV footage, Kiddie had said: ‘She is now biting into my index finger and she’s telling me she’s got the AIDS virus.’ '
From the mail article.
As the original clip was released by the womans solicitors I doubt it would include anything detrimental to her.
Pointing to the CCTV footage, Kiddie had said: ‘She is now biting into my index finger and she’s telling me she’s got the AIDS virus.’ '
From the mail article.
As the original clip was released by the womans solicitors I doubt it would include anything detrimental to her.
To cross the custody threshold Common Assault must fall into the sentencing guidelines’ “Category 1” (that is, greater harm and higher culpability). The greater harm aspect is certainly present. Details are on page 213 of this document:
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This was a sustained and repeated attack on a (comparatively) vulnerable victim. Higher culpability could also be suggested bearing in mind the assailant’s position of authority over the victim at the time. Even if it is accepted that the offence falls into category one custody is not an automatic option. The starting point for such an offence is a low level community order and considerably aggravating features must be present (over and above those already considered when determining which category the offence falls into) to take the sentence beyond a high level community order to custody. Also, offsetting the aggravating features was the fact that the PC suffered considerable provocation and (one assumes) he was of previous good character. In fact the sentence (150 hours unpaid work) is on the cusp between a medium and high level community order (see page 160 of the same document) and I believe that the District Judge got it about right.
People do not seem to understand that sentencing guidelines have made it very difficult for Magistrates and District Judges to impose custodial sentences for matters of violence in England and Wales. Very few people, especially first time offenders, go to prison for Common Assault and not that many are incarcerated for the more serious offence of Actual Bodily Harm. When considering the prison population in the UK it is often said that we are too quick to send people into custody when in fact the reverse is true. In comparable countries (e.g. Spain, France, Denmark, The Netherlands) matters of low-level violence almost always end up with a custodial sentence whereas in the UK the rarely do. The reason we have large numbers of people in prison is because we have large numbers of people who commit serious offences.
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This was a sustained and repeated attack on a (comparatively) vulnerable victim. Higher culpability could also be suggested bearing in mind the assailant’s position of authority over the victim at the time. Even if it is accepted that the offence falls into category one custody is not an automatic option. The starting point for such an offence is a low level community order and considerably aggravating features must be present (over and above those already considered when determining which category the offence falls into) to take the sentence beyond a high level community order to custody. Also, offsetting the aggravating features was the fact that the PC suffered considerable provocation and (one assumes) he was of previous good character. In fact the sentence (150 hours unpaid work) is on the cusp between a medium and high level community order (see page 160 of the same document) and I believe that the District Judge got it about right.
People do not seem to understand that sentencing guidelines have made it very difficult for Magistrates and District Judges to impose custodial sentences for matters of violence in England and Wales. Very few people, especially first time offenders, go to prison for Common Assault and not that many are incarcerated for the more serious offence of Actual Bodily Harm. When considering the prison population in the UK it is often said that we are too quick to send people into custody when in fact the reverse is true. In comparable countries (e.g. Spain, France, Denmark, The Netherlands) matters of low-level violence almost always end up with a custodial sentence whereas in the UK the rarely do. The reason we have large numbers of people in prison is because we have large numbers of people who commit serious offences.
"Some people have morals" - of course they do Pixie - it would be ridiculous to believe that all of The Met are corrupt/violent.
But imagine how new recruits will develop when working in an environment dominated by an attitude of "we are right, we can do what we want" from so many senior colleagues.
It has become a well nigh impossible task to reform the existing mess - there is too much weight of historical bad practice and indoctrinated behaviour at all levels.
We need an honest Police Force in London - reform won't work - dissolution and re-establishment with a complete new set of people at all levels of command might, just might, sort the problem out.
But imagine how new recruits will develop when working in an environment dominated by an attitude of "we are right, we can do what we want" from so many senior colleagues.
It has become a well nigh impossible task to reform the existing mess - there is too much weight of historical bad practice and indoctrinated behaviour at all levels.
We need an honest Police Force in London - reform won't work - dissolution and re-establishment with a complete new set of people at all levels of command might, just might, sort the problem out.
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