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Dave Lee Travis Sentence To Be Reviewed...
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Those who cry 'unduly lenient' are perhaps looking at this too narrow. DLT has a conviction against his name, has suffered the long anguish of two trials which has obviously taken its toll on his health. His reputation has been tarnished, his finances have taken a battering, sold his home to finance his costs etc. Put the sum total together of his 'punishment'...
14:30 Mon 29th Sep 2014
naomi24 - "Yes, we know."
But you still think the victim was wrong to come forward and seek justice?
As I have pointed out previously, Mr Travis's perception of himself as 'tactile' and 'cuddly' appeared in his mind to give him carte blanche to be 'cuddly' whenever and wherever the fancy took him.
His initial and continuing inability to accept that he was wrong, and to apologise, is what has motivated his victim into coming forward, and the the complaints about perceived leniency of sentence.
I remain with Jack on this - Travis's collossal arrogance has led to his career being ended, and his home lost, and still a potential prison term hanging over him.
But you still think the victim was wrong to come forward and seek justice?
As I have pointed out previously, Mr Travis's perception of himself as 'tactile' and 'cuddly' appeared in his mind to give him carte blanche to be 'cuddly' whenever and wherever the fancy took him.
His initial and continuing inability to accept that he was wrong, and to apologise, is what has motivated his victim into coming forward, and the the complaints about perceived leniency of sentence.
I remain with Jack on this - Travis's collossal arrogance has led to his career being ended, and his home lost, and still a potential prison term hanging over him.
I'll probably get eaten alive here but I do not believe for one moment that he has assaulted only this one woman and I can understand why she came forward when she read the result of his first trial. She must have felt an injustice had been done to the other women whose cases were not proved. And now her case has been proved it must be crossing peoples' minds that perhaps this wasn't an isolated incident.
I agree with Jack, (although she probably won't agree with me), he is the victim of his own hubris. A thoroughly unpleasant character in my opinion and I think he's been lucky. No sympathy at all.
I agree with Jack, (although she probably won't agree with me), he is the victim of his own hubris. A thoroughly unpleasant character in my opinion and I think he's been lucky. No sympathy at all.
ladybirder - I do too.
I did feel until posts by yourself and jack that I was ploughing a lone furrow here in being unwilling either to suggest that the passage of time has decreased the impact of this assault, or that Travis has been punished by the trial itself, rather than the sentence.
He remains unwilling, or unable to concede that he has behaved badly, and that an apology would be a gracious and appropriate response.
I did feel until posts by yourself and jack that I was ploughing a lone furrow here in being unwilling either to suggest that the passage of time has decreased the impact of this assault, or that Travis has been punished by the trial itself, rather than the sentence.
He remains unwilling, or unable to concede that he has behaved badly, and that an apology would be a gracious and appropriate response.
andy, //But you still think the victim was wrong to come forward and seek justice?//
In the circumstances, yes, I do. If at the time instead of laughing, she’d shoved him away, or slapped him, he would have known that his joke wasn't shared, and she may well have received an apology there and then, but instead of that regardless of the impact her action would potentially have upon his whole life and upon the lives of his wife and family, twenty years on she jumped onto this current witch-hunting bandwagon. I think it's spiteful.
In the circumstances, yes, I do. If at the time instead of laughing, she’d shoved him away, or slapped him, he would have known that his joke wasn't shared, and she may well have received an apology there and then, but instead of that regardless of the impact her action would potentially have upon his whole life and upon the lives of his wife and family, twenty years on she jumped onto this current witch-hunting bandwagon. I think it's spiteful.
naomi24 - "andy, //But you still think the victim was wrong to come forward and seek justice?//
In the circumstances, yes, I do. If at the time instead of laughing, she’d shoved him away, or slapped him, he would have known that his joke wasn't shared, and she may well have received an apology there and then, but instead of that regardless of the impact her action would potentially have upon his whole life and upon the lives of his wife and family, twenty years on she jumped onto this current witch-hunting bandwagon. I think it's spiteful."
I can see that we simply assess this incident and the fallout from it in different ways, and must agree to differ.
"If at the time instead of laughing, she’d shoved him away, or slapped him, he would have known that his joke wasn't shared, and she may well have received an apology there and then ..."
You appear to assume that this lady should have reacted in the way that you would - but she obviously was not able to do so. As I have opined before, one woman's 'grope' is another woman's sexual assault - one woman's humour at oafish behaviour is another woman's long-term trauma, I have banged on ad nauseum about this, but as i said, we must agree to differ.
"but instead of that regardless of the impact her action would potentially have upon his whole life and upon the lives of his wife and family, twenty years on she jumped onto this current witch-hunting bandwagon..."
There is nothing to suggest the cavalier attitude that you assume here from the victim. i cannot believe that she undertook her decision to come forward lightly, knowing as we all do that victims are often mocked and vilfied as opportunists and chancers. As to the effect on Mr Travis's family - that is a result of his behaviour, not hers.
"I think it's spiteful."
No - it is seeking justice.
If the lady wanted to be spiteful, she could have sold her story to a Sunday paper, or sued Mr Travis in a civil case for damages - that would be spiteful.
All the victim has done is righted a wrong - which was committed against her, not by her.
In the circumstances, yes, I do. If at the time instead of laughing, she’d shoved him away, or slapped him, he would have known that his joke wasn't shared, and she may well have received an apology there and then, but instead of that regardless of the impact her action would potentially have upon his whole life and upon the lives of his wife and family, twenty years on she jumped onto this current witch-hunting bandwagon. I think it's spiteful."
I can see that we simply assess this incident and the fallout from it in different ways, and must agree to differ.
"If at the time instead of laughing, she’d shoved him away, or slapped him, he would have known that his joke wasn't shared, and she may well have received an apology there and then ..."
You appear to assume that this lady should have reacted in the way that you would - but she obviously was not able to do so. As I have opined before, one woman's 'grope' is another woman's sexual assault - one woman's humour at oafish behaviour is another woman's long-term trauma, I have banged on ad nauseum about this, but as i said, we must agree to differ.
"but instead of that regardless of the impact her action would potentially have upon his whole life and upon the lives of his wife and family, twenty years on she jumped onto this current witch-hunting bandwagon..."
There is nothing to suggest the cavalier attitude that you assume here from the victim. i cannot believe that she undertook her decision to come forward lightly, knowing as we all do that victims are often mocked and vilfied as opportunists and chancers. As to the effect on Mr Travis's family - that is a result of his behaviour, not hers.
"I think it's spiteful."
No - it is seeking justice.
If the lady wanted to be spiteful, she could have sold her story to a Sunday paper, or sued Mr Travis in a civil case for damages - that would be spiteful.
All the victim has done is righted a wrong - which was committed against her, not by her.
I feel I've been lumped in with the "it shouldn't have come to court" faction, so to clarify my views :
1. I have no time for DLT or other gropers - he/they are vile, especially when they abuse a position of celebrity/power.
2. It was right that he was prosecuted (time elapsed is irrelevant)
3. He was convicted by a jury that heard all the evidence (including corroborative statements) - but on just one charge, out of the many brought against him. Saying 'but he probably did the rest ... and more' is odious and probably actionable.
4. He was sentenced appropriately
but ...
5. I think the decision by the prosecution to seek a review (after precisely 4 complaints) is disgraceful and smacks of a combination of witch-hunting and a childish 'being a bad loser' attitude which should have no place in the law.
1. I have no time for DLT or other gropers - he/they are vile, especially when they abuse a position of celebrity/power.
2. It was right that he was prosecuted (time elapsed is irrelevant)
3. He was convicted by a jury that heard all the evidence (including corroborative statements) - but on just one charge, out of the many brought against him. Saying 'but he probably did the rest ... and more' is odious and probably actionable.
4. He was sentenced appropriately
but ...
5. I think the decision by the prosecution to seek a review (after precisely 4 complaints) is disgraceful and smacks of a combination of witch-hunting and a childish 'being a bad loser' attitude which should have no place in the law.
As a lowly studio runner/researcher caught off-guard by the 'attentions' of one of the star-guests, I imagine she was too stunned, and quite possibly fearful for her job were she to treat it in any other way than *innocent* fun at the time it occured.
She was discomfitted enough to immediately report it to her colleagues who took the matter seriously.....
She was discomfitted enough to immediately report it to her colleagues who took the matter seriously.....
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