Yaya Toure

[redvanman]

This devout muslim footballer farthering a child out side of his marriage makes a joke of is islam religion

[Sqad]

\\\\\and apart from an acknowledged increase in population, I don't believe that the notion is really reflected in fact. \\\

Notion or fact.......fact or notion?

At this moment it is just a matter of opinion.

[Svejk]

From your own link;

This use has also been criticized by influential Islamist Sayyid Qutb, who wrote:


'The defeatists should fear Allah lest they distort this religion and cause it to become weak on the basis of the claim that it is a religion of peace. Yes, it is the religion of peace but in the sense of saving all of mankind from worshiping anything other than Allah and submitting all of mankind to the rule of Allah'

Didn't you bother to read it?

[sandyRoe]

Under Sharia Law what's the penalty for fathering an illegitimate child? Whatever it is, it's unlikely to be as severe as that for the mother who gives birth to one.

[Zacs-Master]

Andy, all I can see on your posts is a condemnation of other people's options with opinions of your own. When Naomi asked for facts you hide behind a silly non committal response.

[mikey4444]

Anybody who has a child outside of their marriage should be condemned. His religion has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Isn't one of the 10 commandments "Thou shalt not commit adultery" ?

Using this case as yet another stick to beat the Muslims with is pathetic.

[Sqad]

mikey

\\\Anybody who has a child outside of their marriage should be condemned. \

So it is fine to have intercourse outside of marriage.....as long as either a) they are not found out or b) there is no conception.

Seems reasonable to me....;-)

[andy-hughes]

Zacs-Master - "Andy, all I can see on your posts is a condemnation of other people's options with opinions of your own."

Then I suggest you read them more carefully.

There is no 'condemnation' in any of my posts - my two posts in response to Sqad were in agreement with his viewpoints.

"When Naomi asked for facts you hide behind a silly non committal response."

That was not a 'silly non-committal response' as you put it, it was a genuine response because I believe that Naomi was using a little sarcasm, which is fine, and I deflected it because I was using a figure of speech about 'the record' and not being factual.

If you don't appreciate my viewpoint, that is absolutely fine - but to suggest I am 'condemning' anyone's view because it is different from mine is simply not true.

[andy-hughes]

sqad - "\\\\\and apart from an acknowledged increase in population, I don't believe that the notion is really reflected in fact. \\\

Notion or fact.......fact or notion?

At this moment it is just a matter of opinion."

And that is the essence of my view on the subject - it is opinion, not fact.

[mikey4444]

Sqad....I am far from being a prude, but adultery hurts the innocent. I come from a "broken home" and it affected my family, especially my baby brother hugely. But my main point was to outline the essential nonsense of making this a Muslim affair.....all religions abhor what this chap has done

( who the hell is he anyway ....I have never heard of him ! )

[Zacs-Master]

Looks a lot like condemnation to me old bean. And as for your further excuse on not answering Naomi's post that's just typical of your tiresome debating technique.

[Sqad]

mikey...I was having a bit of fun with you.

He is a footballer playing for Manchester city on about £200,000 a WEEK.

[mikey4444]

Play nicely girls !

[andy-hughes]

Zacs-Master - "Looks a lot like condemnation to me old bean."

That's fine old bean - you are entitled to your perception, as we all are.

As long as you are not saying that you know better than me what I mean by what I say - but of course, you wouldn't do that - would you?

"And as for your further excuse on not answering Naomi's post that's just typical of your tiresome debating technique."

Oh ... perhaps you would.

[mikey4444]

I knew that Sqad ! I thought he was a spelling error !

[Sqad]

LOL^^^ He was born in the Ivory Coast.

[Zacs-Master]

If you were a TV commentator Mikey, you'd have been sacked for that comment.

[cecil39]

its just a man thing, they do as they like, women should do as they are told, whatever the "religion".

[andy-hughes]

Cecil39 - //its just a man thing, they do as they like, women should do as they are told, whatever the "religion". //

You need to be aware that irony is often lost in print.

You were being ironic weren't you?

[sp1814]

redvanman

To an extent I understand your position here and (partially) understand your position, but I think you may have chosen the wrong target and action.

Thanks for raising this interesting question, because up until I did a bit of research, I didn't know Islam's stance on children born out of wedlock.

Now I do:

http://en.islamtoday.net/node/1729

I think what you're pointing to is something I like to call 'buffet faith' (following religious edicts that you can manage, or support certain bigoted views whilst ignoring others that would cause 'a kerfuffle').

Not sure (looking at the link above) that this is the case here.