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Should There Now Be A Return To Extensive Stop And Searches, Plus Longer Sentences For Carrying Knives?
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Old Geezer - "I'd prefer there was a return to better parenting. Community gone to the dogs."
That will require a massive cultural shift which will cost millions, and no government will invest in it.
Putting proper resources into nursery education would ensure that a new generation of children grew up with proper attitudes of respect and inclusion, which would make them better adults, and benefit society as a whole.
The length of time that would take to filter through means that no four-year-term party in power will ever sign off on it.
They want responses that get them votes next time round, so that means long-term visions with proper benefit will never ever happen.
That will require a massive cultural shift which will cost millions, and no government will invest in it.
Putting proper resources into nursery education would ensure that a new generation of children grew up with proper attitudes of respect and inclusion, which would make them better adults, and benefit society as a whole.
The length of time that would take to filter through means that no four-year-term party in power will ever sign off on it.
They want responses that get them votes next time round, so that means long-term visions with proper benefit will never ever happen.
andy-hughes
/// If the police avoid using the law simply to hassle young lads of colour, which creates massive antipathy towards them - then reasonable searches should be employed. ///
You really think that the police go out their way to hassle 'young lads of colour', do you?
Since it is mainly 'young lads of colour' who carry these knives and also use them with fatal consequences, don't you think that they are now not carrying out enough stop and searches, especially in certain areas?
/// If the police avoid using the law simply to hassle young lads of colour, which creates massive antipathy towards them - then reasonable searches should be employed. ///
You really think that the police go out their way to hassle 'young lads of colour', do you?
Since it is mainly 'young lads of colour' who carry these knives and also use them with fatal consequences, don't you think that they are now not carrying out enough stop and searches, especially in certain areas?
AOG - "You really think that the police go out their way to hassle 'young lads of colour', do you?"
I certainly think that they have done so in the past - I hope that in more enlightened times, they could do so without making the matter into a race issue - and that can be done by proper communication with the persons involved at the time.
I certainly think that they have done so in the past - I hope that in more enlightened times, they could do so without making the matter into a race issue - and that can be done by proper communication with the persons involved at the time.
Baldric - "///Putting proper resources into nursery education would ensure that a new generation of children grew up with proper attitudes of respect and inclusion, which would make them better adults, and benefit society as a whole.///
So, the Parents don't have to take any responsibility in this then?"
I have not said that - because that is not my view.
Ultimate responsibility for child rearing has to lodge with the parents.
But there are vast numbers of parents who simply do not have appropriate parenting skills - mainly as a result of bad parenting they have received, coupled with totally inadequate supervision in nurseries, which is a direct result of paying minimum wages to young men and women who are not attracted into the profession by a desire to make things better for society as a whole.
It takes both of these systems - and the second will take a couple of generations to feed into the first - before results are seen.
So, the Parents don't have to take any responsibility in this then?"
I have not said that - because that is not my view.
Ultimate responsibility for child rearing has to lodge with the parents.
But there are vast numbers of parents who simply do not have appropriate parenting skills - mainly as a result of bad parenting they have received, coupled with totally inadequate supervision in nurseries, which is a direct result of paying minimum wages to young men and women who are not attracted into the profession by a desire to make things better for society as a whole.
It takes both of these systems - and the second will take a couple of generations to feed into the first - before results are seen.
/// Mohammed lived on the sprawling Aylesbury Estate, a deprived area plagued by crime including drug dealing and robbery. ///
Why do they call these areas deprived?
It can't be because they lack funding, most if not all deprived areas receive special funding and services from their local councils, I know of such areas who's privately owned houses have had new roofs fitted, free of charge, and the option of having their frontal areas either block paved, (so as to park their cars on) or smart low walls built, also free of charge.
It is mainly the residents of such areas that make them look like deprived areas by British standards, it is their culture.
Why do they call these areas deprived?
It can't be because they lack funding, most if not all deprived areas receive special funding and services from their local councils, I know of such areas who's privately owned houses have had new roofs fitted, free of charge, and the option of having their frontal areas either block paved, (so as to park their cars on) or smart low walls built, also free of charge.
It is mainly the residents of such areas that make them look like deprived areas by British standards, it is their culture.
andy-hughes
/// I certainly think that they have done so in the past - I hope that in more enlightened times, they could do so without making the matter into a race issue - and that can be done by proper communication with the persons involved at the time. ///
I see we are back again in your perfect world Andy.
Proper communication with the persons involved at the time you said?
Do you think that the police, especially if they happen to be white, could stop and search a young black lad, in a mainly black area, rife in gang culture, and although it was explained to him that they were picking on black lads in their efforts to stamp out knife stabbings, and that there wasn't anything personal in it, or any thought of racism, but just in the quest to make the streets safe for not only him but other black lads.
He would just say, well that's all right then, and thanks for doing such a dangerous job on my behalf, no it wouldn't happen, would it?
/// I certainly think that they have done so in the past - I hope that in more enlightened times, they could do so without making the matter into a race issue - and that can be done by proper communication with the persons involved at the time. ///
I see we are back again in your perfect world Andy.
Proper communication with the persons involved at the time you said?
Do you think that the police, especially if they happen to be white, could stop and search a young black lad, in a mainly black area, rife in gang culture, and although it was explained to him that they were picking on black lads in their efforts to stamp out knife stabbings, and that there wasn't anything personal in it, or any thought of racism, but just in the quest to make the streets safe for not only him but other black lads.
He would just say, well that's all right then, and thanks for doing such a dangerous job on my behalf, no it wouldn't happen, would it?
vulcan42
/// I bet if parents were made responsible for the behaviour of their children, preferably financial compensation, there would be a sudden upturn in good conduct. ///
They would never be able to make some parents pay, even if they had the money to pay, which I presume the parents of such children wouldn't.
And in this case, it wasn't just children, since three men drove away from the crime.
/// I bet if parents were made responsible for the behaviour of their children, preferably financial compensation, there would be a sudden upturn in good conduct. ///
They would never be able to make some parents pay, even if they had the money to pay, which I presume the parents of such children wouldn't.
And in this case, it wasn't just children, since three men drove away from the crime.
I disagree that 'he would be safer in Sierra Leone'. This was 2013 ( before the Ebola outbreak)
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/// The family of a teenage boy brutally murdered in the street said knife crime is not a problem in their West African homeland. ///
/// ‘It should stop, I am telling you. They should deal with them severely. It is all this gang business. In Africa they are taught respect. ///
/// When she became too upset to continue, an aunt of the victim added: ‘We do not have this kind of crime in Sierra Leone. ///
What are Africa, and Sierra Leone in particular doing that we apparently are failing to do, and why are we not?
/// ‘It should stop, I am telling you. They should deal with them severely. It is all this gang business. In Africa they are taught respect. ///
/// When she became too upset to continue, an aunt of the victim added: ‘We do not have this kind of crime in Sierra Leone. ///
What are Africa, and Sierra Leone in particular doing that we apparently are failing to do, and why are we not?
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AOG
You wrote:
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Do you think that the police, especially if they happen to be white, could stop and search a young black lad, in a mainly black area, rife in gang culture, and although it was explained to him that they were picking on black lads in their efforts to stamp out knife stabbings, and that there wasn't anything personal in it, or any thought of racism, but just in the quest to make the streets safe for not only him but other black lads.
He would just say, well that's all right then, and thanks for doing such a dangerous job on my behalf, no it wouldn't happen, would it?"
You are mostly ignorant about black people, so I suggest that you don't try and speak on our behalf.
You wrote:
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Do you think that the police, especially if they happen to be white, could stop and search a young black lad, in a mainly black area, rife in gang culture, and although it was explained to him that they were picking on black lads in their efforts to stamp out knife stabbings, and that there wasn't anything personal in it, or any thought of racism, but just in the quest to make the streets safe for not only him but other black lads.
He would just say, well that's all right then, and thanks for doing such a dangerous job on my behalf, no it wouldn't happen, would it?"
You are mostly ignorant about black people, so I suggest that you don't try and speak on our behalf.
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