R.a.f Man Told By Hospital Staff, To Sit Behind Wall In Case He Offended Anyone

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249717/Hospital-told-RAF-sergeant-leave-waiting-room-case-uniform-upset-patients.html

Absolutely disgusting, is this no longer England, are our armed forces something to be ashamed of so as to be hidden behind walls?

/// Former Chief of the Air Staff Sir Michael Graydon described the incident as ‘disappointing’. ///

I would use stronger language than that sir, but it would not get by the AnswerBank censor.

I wonder if this over sensitive staff would have told a Muslim woman wearing a full burka the same thing?

[anotheoldgit]

vetuste_ennemi

/// From a MORAL point of view is it better to remove the aggressor or the victim?
On the other hand I can see it from the point of view of the appeaser - it's a policy which has a long history of success. ///

It wouldn't have worked, or indeed it didn't work in the two world Wars.

Always best to remove the aggressor.

[mikey4444]

Mamy is talking sense here. The hospital employee was only doing what she or he thought right. This serviceman was extremely vulnerable, and by asking him if he would like to sit somewhere safer, he may very well have spared him some future trouble. And, as Mamy has said, there was no aggressor, this time.

[vetuste_ennemi]

"There was no aggressor."

Then what's your point?

[Orderlimit]

" there was no aggressor, this time."

We all get that bit hence the initial response is more believable, (they didn’t want to upset people’ because they ‘have lots of different cultures coming in’.
but who knows

[Mamyalynne]

Mikey - I can't be talking sense, I must be reading something totally different to the OP.

Think this......

I am in attendance at A&E late one Friday night and someone says - 'Would you like to sit somewhere quiet and out of the way,sometimes trouble kicks off?'


Is my reply likely to be 'How dare you! I think that's shameful and I shall report your actions to the authorities, my family may even go to the Press'.


Make your own minds up and have a wonderful hypothetical afternoon.

[mikey4444]

Mamy....of course you are talking sense !

[jackthehat]

///And the apologists continue to rant.

Why not turn on our own, instead of daring to criticise our ethnics?

But then I suppose it makes their hearts glow, thinking how they are embracing our multi-cultural status.

I wonder if those who they defending, are also prepared to criticise their own in defence of the indigenous population of these Islands? ///

You re simply 'supposing' that the previous incident involved a muslim/ethnic, etc. etc. and there is absolutely nothing on which to base that assumption except the fact that that is how your mind works.

Blokes in uniform can often expect trouble from blokes not in uniform who have decided to test their own machismo.....it's not unusual. Ask about.

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT you'd have favoured us declaring hostilities against Spain each time there was a disturbance involving them and Gibraltar would you?

The police and other authorities would grind to a halt if disgression, experience and good judgement were not used every day.

[vetuste_ennemi]

"You re simply 'supposing' that the previous incident involved a muslim/ethnic, etc. etc. and there is absolutely nothing on which to base that assumption except the fact that that is how your mind works."

The BBC reports the hospital's comment on the incident. Having asserted that the employee involved was acting in "good faith" the spokesman added (stress by me):

'...The spokesman also said the hospital trust was "absolutely clear that members of Her Majesty's armed forces, whether in uniform or not, should not be treated any differently to any other person".
"We are now making this point clear to ALL our members of staff and will seek to make sure that this NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN" he added.'.

Does this statement , or does it not constitute an acknowledgment that the employee's actions were wrong even if well-motivated?

[Mamyalynne]

As I stated,if that directive is handed out then employees will stop being helpful based on experience.

How sad is that?

[jackthehat]

//Does this statement , or does it not constitute an acknowledgment that the employee's actions were wrong even if well-motivated? ///

Quite possibly, it does.
However, there has been a great deal of hot-air expended on the causes of these actions.......and nothing to confirm that there is any religious/ethnic dimension to them, at all.

[mushroom25]

//there has been a great deal of hot-air expended on the causes of these actions.......and nothing to confirm that there is any religious/ethnic dimension to them, at all. //

quite possibly you're correct. nevertheless, the "ethnic dimension" as you describe it is an understandable supposition in the light of documented previous happenings.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/soldier-verbally-abused-by-muslim-women-41800

[jackthehat]

///understandable supposition//
Indeed it is.....but it's still just a supposition.....

Unfortunately, lone servicemen (and women) in uniform can attract the attentions of people with some sort of point to prove (to themselves if no-one else).

[vetuste_ennemi]

As I stated,if that directive is handed out then employees will stop being helpful based on experience.".

None of us knows the real facts or circumstances, nor are we likely to if we have only the Mail and BBC to go on. So it looks as if all conclusions are speculative.

If the AOG view (based on the Mail's description of the incident and the way HIS mind works) is correct, then the directive is good. If your view (based on your how YOUR mind works in the interpretation of the employee's motives) first part of the BBC's article) is true, Mamya, then the directive is bad.

[sp1814]

mikey4444 / Mamyalynne

You've fallen into the trap of considering the facts and drawing a conclusion which doesn't fit in with the now agreed narrative that everything must somehow be laid at the feet of the encoreaching 'PC brigade'.

I'm getting really tired of your reasonably well-thought out analysis of submitted questions, and the next time you take a position which runs counter to the knee-jerk responses to any post which may be submitted in order to slate minorities, I will be forced to report you to the AB Editor.

[sp1814]

AOG

As reported, this story is bloody scandalous.

He absolutely should not have been moved.

If there was any trouble, or if anyone was upset by his uniform, the THEY should have been told to move, or better still, they could be advised to go and find another hospital where there were no men in uniform.

It’s a ridiculous state of affairs.

But playing devil’s advocate for a moment - how do we know he’s not another Caroline Starmer?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/28/woman-charged-over-primark-breastfeeding-claim

I recall several people clambering up on their high horses at the time of that story, only to face the humiliation of dismountng and taking their steeds back to the paddocks a few days later.

[mikey4444]

Thanks SP....lol !

[Mamyalynne]

sp ,I am suitably chastened - is there a book I could buy to try to rid my MIND of these common sense approaches to life as it happens or am I stuck in my ways?

[mikey4444]

SP and Mamy...I have often said this before but sometimes common sense is a rare quality here on AB !

[Mamyalynne]

The Red List of Threatened Species ??