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[bazwillrun]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/01/peter-sutcliffe-yorkshire-ripper-no-longer-mentally-ill-say-psychiatrists

them 30 odd years to suss him out...pretty good going...

[jackthehat]

Anyone who thinks that Broadmoor is in any way preferable to HMP obviously has not set foot through the doors.

[ummmm]

Even the 'cushty' hospital I worked at it was still a dismal existence.

[mikey4444]

Well, at least he has been spared the cruel and unusual punishment of have to be "entertained" by a certain deceased DJ.

[jackthehat]

Crass much, mikey^ ?!?

[mikey4444]

Not crass at all. The authorities willingly and enthusiastically allowed Savile carte blanche at Broadmoor.

[bednobs]

i have visited broadmoor, but not to a category A prison, so can't make a direct comparison.

[ummmm]

Absolutely no reason to bring JS into this unless JS was the reason for PS mental illness.

[bazwillrun]

I have a friend who is a pretty well respected barrister and has worked on some high profile cases...as he has often said of a lot of crims facing a long stretch..try and plead insanity as a "hospital" stretch is far easier and preferable to a prison...and it seems hes right, suttcliffe is already complaining that he will lose certain luxurys if he goes to a normal prison....

like i said, for the most part gullible mugs to the end...pretty much like the parole people...

[Sqad]

I have been into a High Security Jail (Wakefield) and also a "hospital" (I have forgotten it's name just outside Liverpoll Maghull) and there is no doubt that the easier life is in the "hospital."

As JTH says, who cares where he goes as long as he is "banged away for life".

[hc4361]

If an offender is found insane and committed to a facility like Broadmoor the sentence is indefinite; if the found sane and sent to prison the sentence has a term.

Unless your crime is so heinous that there is no hope of ever being released you would have to insane to try a plea of insanity

[jackthehat]

///Not crass at all. The authorities willingly and enthusiastically allowed Savile carte blanche at Broadmoor.///

They did.....for most of the years Sutcliffe has been there.
But one has nothing to do with the other.

[naomi24]

Mikey, to paraphrase something you've just written on another thread ... //To bring JS into a discussion about the Yorkshire Ripper is breathtaking in its inanity. But hardly unexpected !//

[hc4361]

Another pointer - Broadmoor houses the most dangerous, insane people who have no chance of ever being released. There is no further punishment if they commit dreadful crimes against other 'patients'.

At least within the prison system the chance of release may temper imates behaviour.

[mikey4444]

Interesting take on this issue, from the son of one of his victims ::::

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34973658

[EDDIE51]

Sutcliffe is one of the few UK prisoners on a 'whole life tariff' so he is going to be locked up until he dies anyway.
In jail he will be an HPP (High Poppy in jail slang) High Profile Prisoner.
As such he will probably be segregated and will be entitled to have a single cell in a 'lifer' unit of a category A jail.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - //Andy, so you kind of agree with baz then? //

You're going to need to elaborate on your thinking there Zacs - as far as I can see, my view is not within the same planetary system as bazwillrun's!

[andy-hughes]

bazwillrun - //I have a friend who is a pretty well respected barrister and has worked on some high profile cases...as he has often said of a lot of crims facing a long stretch..try and plead insanity as a "hospital" stretch is far easier and preferable to a prison...and it seems hes right, suttcliffe is already complaining that he will lose certain luxurys if he goes to a normal prison....

like i said, for the most part gullible mugs to the end...pretty much like the parole people... //

I don't think you need to have a friend who is a barrister to be aware that a number of criminals offer an 'insanity' plea as their defence.

But you have still failed to address my point - Peter Sutcliffe has been regularly assessed and monitored throughout his time at Broadmoor, as all patients are - and it has been decided by experts that his mental state now decrees that Broadmoor is no longer a suitable facility for him.

How do you translate that verdict into a combination of naivety, with a degree of stupidity thrown in as well?

If it's just an opinion, then it is challenged - so I remain waiting for a response, if you wish to offer one.

[Mamyalynne]

As we have come to expect, Baz's default in these situations are responses like - gullible,naive,stupid or in my case facile.


For my part as long as Sutcliffe remains locked up, I don't care where he is held.

[mikey4444]

Mamy...I am thinking of that "T" word again !

[ummmm]

I don't understand why people dismiss insanity pleas. This isn't case of a gang murder, a drug deal gone wrong, a jealous lover. It's a man who killed 13 people....that's insane!!