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them 30 odd years to suss him out...pretty good going...
them 30 odd years to suss him out...pretty good going...
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andy-hughes, //Take the Nazi death camps as an example - there is no way that anyone could say that gassing millions of people is in any way 'normal', but it was done by people acting in a way they believed to be right, bot because they were suffering from any mental illness. //
But why did they think they were right? Because they were delusional in believing that they were members of a superior race - delusional being the operative word. I'd say delusions equate to mental aberration.
But why did they think they were right? Because they were delusional in believing that they were members of a superior race - delusional being the operative word. I'd say delusions equate to mental aberration.
Naomi - //But why did they think they were right? Because they were delusional in believing that they were members of a superior race - delusional being the operative word. I'd say delusions equate to mental aberration. //
I would agree - but aberration does not equate to a diagnosable and potentially treatable condition.
There are people on here with delusions of grandeur - I wouldn't suggest that they are in need of treatment!!
A little 'adjustment' here and there usually does the trick!!!
I would agree - but aberration does not equate to a diagnosable and potentially treatable condition.
There are people on here with delusions of grandeur - I wouldn't suggest that they are in need of treatment!!
A little 'adjustment' here and there usually does the trick!!!
andy-hughes, //aberration does not equate to a diagnosable and potentially treatable condition.//
That doesn’t mean they’re mentally sound. They’re not.
//There are people on here with delusions of grandeur - I wouldn't suggest that they are in need of treatment!!
A little 'adjustment' here and there usually does the trick!!!//
But not in all instances.
That doesn’t mean they’re mentally sound. They’re not.
//There are people on here with delusions of grandeur - I wouldn't suggest that they are in need of treatment!!
A little 'adjustment' here and there usually does the trick!!!//
But not in all instances.
ummm - //Many Nazis may have believed they were superior...but I'm sure many more were going through the motions out of fear. //
For those with powerful enough personalities, combined with a high level of personal charisma - Hitler being the ultimate example - the serious delusions of grandeur are easy enough to acquire, but I have to agree with your point, most were simply forced under the machine of the regime to fall into line.
For those with powerful enough personalities, combined with a high level of personal charisma - Hitler being the ultimate example - the serious delusions of grandeur are easy enough to acquire, but I have to agree with your point, most were simply forced under the machine of the regime to fall into line.
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Naomi - //andy-hughes, //aberration does not equate to a diagnosable and potentially treatable condition.//
That doesn’t mean they’re mentally sound. They’re not. //
As I know you are aware, mental health does not begin with birth and end with death.
It is entirely changeable, and affects as many people in as many different ways as it is possible to imagine.
Therefore, someone with mental aberrations is not necessarily ill, someone with paranoid schizophrenia will not automatically be an axe murderer.
That doesn’t mean they’re mentally sound. They’re not. //
As I know you are aware, mental health does not begin with birth and end with death.
It is entirely changeable, and affects as many people in as many different ways as it is possible to imagine.
Therefore, someone with mental aberrations is not necessarily ill, someone with paranoid schizophrenia will not automatically be an axe murderer.
// If I take your inference correctly bazwillrun, you are saying that Sutcliffe deceived the psychiatrists into diagnosing his mental illness, and now they have seen through his deception.//
historically S said to his jailer (!) that he would try to feign illness to sort of get off and this led to a jury and fact finding exercise where the jury found he was fit to plead. [yeah well being psychiatrically ill and being mad at law are two different things )
He was convicted and about two years later everyone agree he was schizophrenic.
Now they are saying he needs no further treatment ( = burn out - no not the psychiatrists but the disease ) and can go to wherever
Unlikely ever to be released ....
historically S said to his jailer (!) that he would try to feign illness to sort of get off and this led to a jury and fact finding exercise where the jury found he was fit to plead. [yeah well being psychiatrically ill and being mad at law are two different things )
He was convicted and about two years later everyone agree he was schizophrenic.
Now they are saying he needs no further treatment ( = burn out - no not the psychiatrists but the disease ) and can go to wherever
Unlikely ever to be released ....
Peter - //Now they are saying he needs no further treatment ( = burn out - no not the psychiatrists but the disease ) and can go to wherever //
I understand slightly differently - not that Sutcliffe's condition has 'gone' but that the medication he now takes means it is sufficiently under control that he no longer needs the specialist care of Broadmoor, and can be released back to the general prison population.
I understand slightly differently - not that Sutcliffe's condition has 'gone' but that the medication he now takes means it is sufficiently under control that he no longer needs the specialist care of Broadmoor, and can be released back to the general prison population.
jack - //Although it is unlikely to succeed, Sutcliffe stands a slightly better chance at petitioning for release from HMP (being merely a time-served 'bad' person) than he would from a Secure Mental Hospital (being an untreatable 'mad' person). //
Indeed, but it would be something of a career-stalling move for any Justice Secretary who put his moniker on that one!!
Indeed, but it would be something of a career-stalling move for any Justice Secretary who put his moniker on that one!!
Naomi - //andy-hughes, // someone with mental aberrations is not necessarily ill, //
Well he certainly isn't right! //
No, but being 'not right' is not the same has having a diagnosable mental health condition.
//someone with paranoid schizophrenia will not automatically be an axe murderer.//
That's a silly thing to say.//
Why?
It appears from your posts that you think that 'mental illness' is some sort of umbrella concept whereby anyone from Peter Sutcliffe at one end to the man who mumbles to himself on the bus are one and the same - I am simply using an example to illustrate that this is not the case.
Well he certainly isn't right! //
No, but being 'not right' is not the same has having a diagnosable mental health condition.
//someone with paranoid schizophrenia will not automatically be an axe murderer.//
That's a silly thing to say.//
Why?
It appears from your posts that you think that 'mental illness' is some sort of umbrella concept whereby anyone from Peter Sutcliffe at one end to the man who mumbles to himself on the bus are one and the same - I am simply using an example to illustrate that this is not the case.
andy-hughes , //That's a silly thing to say.//
////Why? ////
Because we know that.
//It appears from your posts that you think that 'mental illness' is some sort of umbrella concept whereby anyone from Peter Sutcliffe at one end to the man who mumbles to himself on the bus are one and the same- I am simply using an example to illustrate that this is not the case. //
And that’s a silly thing to say too. Your illustration is unnecessary.
////Why? ////
Because we know that.
//It appears from your posts that you think that 'mental illness' is some sort of umbrella concept whereby anyone from Peter Sutcliffe at one end to the man who mumbles to himself on the bus are one and the same- I am simply using an example to illustrate that this is not the case. //
And that’s a silly thing to say too. Your illustration is unnecessary.
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