Drink Driving At Christmas.

[andy-hughes]

http://www.motoring.co.uk/car-news/drink-driving-at-xmas-750-000-expect-to-drive-while-over-limit_67071?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=motoring-161215-b


It appears that our culture of accepting arrest for drink-driving as an occupational hazard is not disappearing as quickly as we might hope.

My views on drink driving are very simple - zero tolerance, lifetime ban.

Any thoughts?

[-Talbot-]

andy-hughes
OK, I would be happy to concede the absolute minimum level to allow for medication - but anything above that, and you are off the road forever.


Can I assume that you also believe that if you murder one person, rape one person, or rob one post office at gunpoint ... you should be in prison forever?

[andy-hughes]

bazwillrun - //I see we cant criticise AH the mod on here...he can clog up the whole board and theres nothing can be said about it...

conflict of interest...hahaha //

Since you never get tired of banging this particular drum, I must repeat myslef yet again -

You can argue with me as much as you like - that is what debate is about.

What you cannot do is fling insults about - they contravene the Site Rules - they get removed.

There is no 'conflict of interest' - if there was, I suggest my mod status would be removed.

As to 'clogging up' the thread, yet again, for the umpteenth time - you and anyone else has exactly the same access to the site as I do, you can post as much as i do, or as little as you wish, or even not at all. I have no control over what you post or not.

And finally, and again for the umpteenth time, if my existence on here causes you such ire - why not ignore me competently? Skip over what I say, don't enter threads I originate.

In fact - forget I exist - or at least close your eyes to my name on here - and your life will be so much happier.

It has to be better than your bitter sniping which is getting seriously tedious.

[douglas9401]

Come on now at the back! Titter ye not!

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //OK, I would be happy to concede the absolute minimum level to allow for medication - but anything above that, and you are off the road forever.

Can I assume that you also believe that if you murder one person, rape one person, or rob one post office at gunpoint ... you should be in prison forever? //


Those circumstances are not comparable at all, and I am sure you know that.

Are you seriously comparing rape and murder with drink driving in terms of punishment?

Driving is not a right, it is a privilege, and it comes with attendant responsibilities, not least of which is ensuring that you are not deliberately endangering the lives of innocent people – and that is what drink drivers do.

Drinking alcohol and then driving a car is a conscious anti-social potentially fatal behaviour, and I am advocating taking the privilege away from people who cannot be trusted with it.

How you think that compares with rape and murder is a mystery to me – but since you brought it up – if you rape or murder one person, yes you should go to prison for life – or are you suggesting a ‘practise go’ first, which the offender can say he didn’t really mean?

[-Talbot-]

I'm not comparing the crimes I was trying to get an angle on the 'lifetime' bit.
But if you really do think you should serve a lifetime in prison for rape or murder, then Im astounded.

As for your pathological obsession with zero alcohol limit ... I think I would rather not get involved.

[Baldric]

Just thinking out loud here, why do I suspect there was a time when AH possibly did indulge, maybe a little too much/often?

[retrocop]

Balders
Am on your wavelength. :-)

[ToraToraTora]

andy, are you aware that in the absence of alcohol the body makes its own? So 0 is not feasible, all motorists would have some in their bodies. Do you accept a trace amount as a limit so say 10mg rather than 80?

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - // I'm not comparing the crimes I was trying to get an angle on the 'lifetime' bit.
But if you really do think you should serve a lifetime in prison for rape or murder, then Im astounded. //

I am astounded if you don’t! What punishment do you think is appropriate for rape and murder?

// As for your pathological obsession with zero alcohol limit ... I think I would rather not get involved. //

I hesitate to call it ‘pathological’ – I don’t lie awake at nights thinking about it!

[andy-hughes]

Baldric - //Just thinking out loud here, why do I suspect there was a time when AH possibly did indulge, maybe a little too much/often? //

Only you can answer that one.

But for the record, I have never enjoyed alcohol in any measure whatever.

At the time my friends were telling me that, even though I didn’t like it, I would get used to it, that seemed a somewhat futile exercise to me, so I didn’t pursue it. Through my teens, I enjoyed being the ‘odd one out’ – and believe me, being tee-total as a teenager in the early seventies was seriously rare.

In my twenties, at a party, I decided to see what all the fuss was about, so I started to drink rum and coke – didn’t like it, but forced it down. Because no-one was monitoring my intake, I imbibed an entire half-bottle of rum, gave myself a serious dose of alcohol poisoning, and decided that alcohol was not for me!

I have no palate whatsoever for alcohol, Guiness and champagne tatse exactly the same for me, so since I don’t like the taste, or the effect – the fear of loss of control bothers me, I have never bothered with alcohol at all.

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - //Balders
Am on your wavelength. :-) //

Then your antennae needs adjusting!!

[Baldric]

//Baldric - //Just thinking out loud here, why do I suspect there was a time when AH possibly did indulge, maybe a little too much/often? //

///Only you can answer that one.///

Ok, you give the impression of someone who's been there, done that and didn't handle it well, but that's just the impression I take from your posts, just saying.

[keyplus90]

I agree with your view on it. I personally do not drink but in my 21 years of driving I have had couple of near miss with drivers who were drunk.

[Baldric]

Keyplus, if you did not make contact with them how do you know they were drunk?

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, // What you cannot do is fling insults about - they contravene the Site Rules - they get removed.//

This constant preaching about 'Site Rules' from you really gets on my pip! You're the only poster who does it - and in response to your rudeness to another contributor just this morning I reminded you that you were contradicting yourself. You insult with impunity - literally - and then have the gall to preach 'rules' to everyone else. Do give it a rest, please!

[retrocop]

//In my twenties, at a party, I decided to see what all the fuss was about, so I started to drink rum and coke – didn’t like it, but forced it down. Because no-one was monitoring my intake, I imbibed an entire half-bottle of rum, gave myself a serious dose of alcohol poisoning, and decided that alcohol was not for me! //

So your excessive abuse there didn't stop in other regards as often demonstrated here!

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// As a tee-totaller, I find the behaviour of drunken people to be rather infantile and boorish, but since I don't mix with any, it's not a problem. ///

If you do not wish others from making certain assumptions about you, perhaps you should consider what you type.

It is no good adding and rewriting what you have previously put, so as to then accuse others of misinterpreting what you have previously said.

/// but I am always happy to correct your incorrect impressions. ///

Shouldn't that be "but I am always happy to correct any false impressions that I have already given of myself"?

[jackthehat]

And yet another thread descends into a nitpick-fest with andy-hughes having to 'justify' himself against a band of posters who are becoming utterly predictable and exceedingly boring in their persistent needling.

Time to grow-up, I think chaps.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - ///// As a tee-totaller, I find the behaviour of drunken people to be rather infantile and boorish, but since I don't mix with any, it's not a problem. ///

If you do not wish others from making certain assumptions about you, perhaps you should consider what you type.

It is no good adding and rewriting what you have previously put, so as to then accuse others of misinterpreting what you have previously said.

/// but I am always happy to correct your incorrect impressions. ///

Shouldn't that be "but I am always happy to correct any false impressions that I have already given of myself"? //

I am the first to admit that I don't always express myself as clearly as I would wish - so if I have given the wrong impression, and that is picked up by another AB'er, then I am happy to correct myself.

If it makes you feel better to make the errors my responsibility - then fine, happy to do so.

Hope we can all move on now - back to the thread would be nice.

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

/// Time to grow-up, I think chaps. ///

That's rather sexist, there are also some chapesses.