If St Mandella Had Said This...

[ToraToraTora]

How different would the response from our elite thinkers be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08ZPbUBmb30

[Zacs-Master]

Naomi' 'In pursuit of the truth it's sometimes necessary to step beyond your preferred version of politics'.

There's 'beyond preferred' and 'wouldn't touch with a barge pole'. If you feel happy to associate,yourself,with Robinson, that is entirely your own matter but I won't none joining you.

[naomi24]

I associate myself with what he's said here - and willingly. It's called having the courage of one's own convictions.

[Zacs-Master]

That's you're view. To me it's called 'associating yourself with the far right'.

[Zacs-Master]

Your.

[naomi24]

I don't think so. Now if I were defending radical Islam, then I would be associating myself with the far right.

[Zacs-Master]

Ah, it's the eternal dichotomy ain't it. To defeat fascism one must become fascist.

[naomi24]

We know that's not true.

[Zacs-Master]

Robinson is far right but you seem to be happy associated with Robinson who is undeniably far right, to defeat is far right radical Islam, which you admit is far right. You seem to be agreeing with me.

[Zacs-Master]

Sorry, was on phone so above is a bit garbled, but you get the idea.

[ToraToraTora]

The messenger happens to far right here but the whole point of this thread is that the messenger is irrelevant. To have any chance of defeating "fascism/Islam" we must first accept the problem, regardless of who spells it out, you have done that already zacs, many seem incapable of doing so.

[naomi24]

^What he said.

[Zacs-Master]

The messenger isn't irrelevant at all. His comments were meant to appeal to any right thinking westerners and show him as a right thinking individual and it look like many have been fooled, some of whom I thought had far more nouse. His comments are just a stepping stone on his personal xenophobic, bigoted, racist views. The first chapter if you will.

[ToraToraTora]

"look like many have been fooled, " - so are you saying that you no longer agree with what he said? who has been fooled? the content is correct, I don't care who says it.

[Zacs-Master]

Holy cow this is hard. I agree with what he said BUT I know what his agenda is. A leopard doesn't change its spots.

[ummmm]

Agree, Zacs, whereas the article written by the British Muslim actress (sorry can't remember her name) I read and took on board. She's not saying much different than Robinson but we know her agenda is different.

She's also been on TV saying the same things. Basically we need to stop pussy footing around the issue.

[ToraToraTora]

does it matter what his agenda is if you agree with what he said? Many people have said the right things for their own ends, all politicians for a start.

Yes ummmm, if 2 almost polar opposites are saying the same thing then that is pretty solid corroboration in my view.

[bazwillrun]

"xenophobic, bigoted, racist"

hahahaha, one hundred and eighty !!!

[Zacs-Master]

'Many people have said the right things for their own ends'
They have indeed but not all of them are Robinson and his seriously flawed ideology.

[ichkeria]

Well I don't agree with him. Obviously some of what he says is a reflection of terrible things that have happened, but he's back to rabble rousing I am afraid. I thought he was over that.
I am still confused by the question though. What has Nelson Mandela got to do with it, And, just to repeat, where are the elite thinkers and their hanging, drawing and quartering?
Much puzzled.

[-Talbot-]

ummmm
Agree, Zacs, whereas the article written by the British Muslim actress (sorry can't remember her name) I read and took on board. She's not saying much different than Robinson but we know her agenda is different.

She's also been on TV saying the same things. Basically we need to stop pussy footing around the issue.




pussyfoot
to avoid giving a definite answer or position


Lots of pussyfooting around the issue on my earlier thread, ummmm. lots of posts without actually saying anything relevant to the OP.