Shouldn't This Peaceful Silent March Be Allowed To Take Place Without Violent Opposition?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/pegida-uk-hundreds-attend-birmingham-central-mosque-opposition-tommy-robinsons-anti-islam-march-1542279

[andy-hughes]

Gromit - //The EDL never exposed any case that wasn't already under investigation. //

That's because the EDL's raison d'etre is not to behave like caring citizens with a social conscience, it's to play on paranoia and media hysteria and whip people up into race-hating mobs like them.

So, to be fair - they are acting true to form - as appalling as that form is!

[jomifl]

/The EDL never exposed any case that wasn't already under investigation/

so there are case that the police don't investigate? how does that work?

[andy-hughes]

jomifl - //The EDL never exposed any case that wasn't already under investigation/

so there are case that the police don't investigate? how does that work? //

That doesn't follow - the police don't rely on the EDL to find their cases for them!

[naomi24]

//So, to be fair - they are acting true to form - as appalling as that form is!//

And to be even fairer, not a word about the form the abusers are acting true to – as appalling as that form is! Sickening!

Bye bye.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - ////So, to be fair - they are acting true to form - as appalling as that form is!//

And to be even fairer, not a word about the form the abusers are acting true to – as appalling as that form is! Sickening! //

I would never defend abusers of any creed or colour for one minute, and I am notr trying to get into the notion of justifying one group over the other.

However - abusers are nasty horrible pondlife types who act on base instincts and carry out their vile assaults as opportunists.

EDL and similar racists spend time planning their activities, banding together, trying to stir up hatred where it needn't be (which is everywhere!) and cloaking it all under a pseudo-umbrella of tearful patriotism and self-righteousness.

I find abusers utterly repellent, and I find racist organisations utterly repellent - but for vastly different reasons - neither deserves oxygen.

[ummmm]

Andy...you're so wrong. A lot of planning goes into grooming.

[Gromit]

Where did Tommy gain these powers of investigation that even out shine the police?
Was it while he was in prison?

[Peter Pedant]

// people like Nick Griffin / Tommy Robinson are acting out of a benevolent need to protect anyone - they are horrible nasty bigoted racists who love stirring up agitation and attracting attention // A.H.

reports of crime are context blind arent they ?

'concernred citizens' fill the pages with malicious reports of crimes to the police which if they are true/valid are not spiked because there is another agenda

having looked Nick Griffin says he reported it all in 2001 - is there any independent report ?

[Peter Pedant]

// Where did Tommy gain these powers of investigation that even out shine the police? Was it while he was in prison?//

or even whilst he was a Muslim ? ( altho I am sure he wasnt one of the ones who was dark and wanted to murder us in our beds )

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// I believe he was a bigoted ignorant racist buffoon whose only interests were his own self-aggrandisement and arrogance. ///

This by ABer's master of insults, he that is always criticising others.

Such persons as hughes make me sick they are always ready to dish out their insults to certain groups and individuals, who have never raped or molested women and children of other races, yet they are quite prepared to defend those that have.

Lets have a level playing field here until you can prove that those who set themselves up to speak for the silent majority, have committed some hideous crime, then spend your time insulting and criticising those that have.

/// AOG - I wonder if you are returning to your thread - to offer your views on some of the views expressed? ///

Satisfied with my views? Well you did ask.

Or have I wasted my time, and my view will be deleted as is the vogue, whenever you appear on the scene.

[Baldric]

/// abusers are nasty horrible pondlife types who act on base instincts and carry out their vile assaults as opportunists.///

If you really believe that you are seriously naive.

[naomi24]

AOG, I agree with you. There appears to be far more vitriol levelled against people who speak out against the perpetrators than anything ever levelled against the perpetrators themselves.

[ummmm]

But this thread isn't about Muslim grooming gangs.

[naomi24]

…. and there are none more racist than the perpetrators.

[Mamyalynne]

Saturday's march went far more peacefully than this thread has , there's no doubt about that.

[ummmm]

It's beyond a joke...

[sp1814]

AOG

I might be wrong, but I suspect that you owe andy_hughes the mother of all apologies here.

Am I reading you correctly when you say that andy-hughes defends rapists and child abusers?

Unless you have corroborated evidence, perhaps you might want think about getting that post from 14:40 deleted.

[sp1814]

Oh and andy-hughes...a little apology from me...

For the past year or so, I've been referring to your name incorrectly.

For some reason, I thought you were andy_hughes, whereas in fact, you're andy-hughes.

I only realised this the other day.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //Such persons as hughes make me sick they are always ready to dish out their insults to certain groups and individuals, who have never raped or molested women and children of other races, yet they are quite prepared to defend those that have. //

Point one, please don't call me Hughes - you know the reasons why, so I won't waste everyone's time by repeating them.

Secondly - I take strong exception to your observation that I am prepared to defend any perpetrators of abuse of any kind. If you can find any evidence of my defence of such people, please give me a link - but let me save you the time, there is none.

// Lets have a level playing field here until you can prove that those who set themselves up to speak for the silent majority, have committed some hideous crime, then spend your time insulting and criticising those that have. //

I will express my views about whom I wish - as do you, and as you are keen to point out with your 'I don't need the likes of you ...' tirades. I don't need it either!
/// AOG - I wonder if you are returning to your thread - to offer your views on some of the views expressed? ///

Satisfied with my views? Well you did ask. //

Satisfied with your views? They are more of a personal attack - again, which gets rather tedious, but that is what debate is about - when you can stick to it anyway.

// Or have I wasted my time, and my view will be deleted as is the vogue, whenever you appear on the scene. //

Only you know if you have wasted your time. If a Moderator decides that your personal attack is inappropriate, then your post may be deleted - it's not a matter of me 'appearing on the scene' - I am not the only Moderator on the site - just the only one you have issues with.

[andy-hughes]

sp1814 - //Oh and andy-hughes...a little apology from me...

For the past year or so, I've been referring to your name incorrectly.

For some reason, I thought you were andy_hughes, whereas in fact, you're andy-hughes.

I only realised this the other day. //

Absolutely no need to apologise, but thank you anyway.