Adam Johnson

[catswhiskas]

Has just been sentenced to 6 years...stupid boy

[jackthehat]

Khandro - There would have been no case to answer if he were overseas as he would be subject to the laws of that country.

trt - That's really nothing to shout about.

[Islay]

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[Islay]

Damn pressed send to quick.

1/ at the time of the incident she had only just turned 15
2/ she told him she was 15
3/ he pursued her
4/ he has admitted his guilt
5/ he should not have committed the crime if he was not prepared for the crime.
6/ it does not matter how old the child looked

I could go on!!

[andy-hughes]

I think any of the regular AB'ers who have debated this case as it has developed were probably prepared for this debate but even so -

I remain amazed at the number of people willing to line up and defend Johnson, either by painting him as the victim of some femme fatale, or by comparing his offence with other non-related offences, or go on about non-famous underage sex cases, or consent levels in other countries.

We get nowhere by saying 'he was famous so ...' , or 'in other countries it would be OK so ...', or as is the most odious position 'she was asking for it so ...'.

The simple fact is - this was an offence carried out in the UK by an adult male against a child. He has been caught, prosecuted, and sentenced, and that, barring a successful appeal, is the end of the matter.

I notice a distinct absence of compassion for the girl caught up in all this, or this idiot's innocent daughter who is now deprived of her daddy because he was unable to act like a mature adult.

But human nature is here, as anywhere, and people will want to defend Johnson, and castigate the teenager involved.

I am pleased he has been jailed, but I wonder how much this will ever do to address the behaviour of dense morally redundant millionaire sportsmen who act as though the female of the species is there only for their enjoyment.

[anotheoldgit]

No one is defending Johnson, but are criticising the longitude of the sentence.

Here is another case for comparison, two years for killing another human being, is life that cheap?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3507800/Hit-run-driver-jailed-smashing-mother-two-tripped-pavement-dragging-body-road-100metres-leaving-dead.html

[-SharonA-]

Got off lightly then!!! No surprise.

[Mamyalynne]

AOG the case you highlight above happened in my home town and yes the driver in my opinion got off lightly there - despicable behaviour by others that night too.

[jackthehat]

No-one thinks that 'life is cheap', AOG.
But there were various factors taken into consideration in the hit and run case. Should the sentencing guidelines for such cases be raised? I think there is serious justification for looking at them, again.

But throwing different cases which break different laws and result in different sentences into a discussion about Adam Johnson and the sentence he received is pointless.

[Baldric]

Didn't know about this until now

///Revealed: Adam Johnson was arrested for possession of animal porn///

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3507418/Shamed-footballer-Adam-Johnson-leaves-home-time-ahead-sentencing.html

[andy-hughes]

Comparison of cases is pointless - all are judged individually based on individual evidence and circumstances, it cannot be any other way.

Anyone who suggests that Johnson's sentence was too harsh, or that the girl involved is responsible for his situation is simply eroding the concept that sexual abuse of children is wrong, and it is not defensible.

This persistent notion that teenage girls are all sexually mature beyond their age and simultaneously voracious is a stereotype, a nasty baseless unhelpful excusing explaining immoral stereotype, and people who persistently visit it as mitigation for Johnson should be ashamed of themselves for it.

[Peter Pedant]

// No one is defending Johnson, but are criticising the longitude of the sentence. //

if he is wormwood scrubs the longitude of the sentence would be around O'C as it is near the Greenwich meridian.....

oh the length of the sentence oh indeed

why or why didnt young lads turn up to their Geogo lessons and listen to the master at the turn of the last century ? - I am shocked to see such schoolboy howlers in the respectable annals of the AB

[andy-hughes]

///Revealed: Adam Johnson was arrested for possession of animal porn///

He's a gift that just keeps on giving isn't he ...

[andy-hughes]

Peter Pedant - // // No one is defending Johnson, but are criticising the longitude of the sentence. //

if he is wormwood scrubs the longitude of the sentence would be around O'C as it is near the Greenwich meridian.....

oh the length of the sentence oh indeed

why or why didnt young lads turn up to their Geogo lessons and listen to the master at the turn of the last century ? - I am shocked to see such schoolboy howlers in the respectable annals of the AB //

There are some threads where a little levity and humour, and teasing the misuse of a word by an AB'er, are appropriate and welcome.

There are other threads where such an approach is not appropriate, and not welcome.

Can you guess which of those categories this thread falls into?

[Khandro]

jth; So are you saying you would be completely relaxed about it if they had done the same thing over the channel in France, and if then crossed the Rhine into Germany it wouldn't matter even were she 14?
Are you only concerned about the law? I thought there seemed to be a high moral stand being adopted by many on here. Morality appears to be a moveable feast.

[jackthehat]

It would be depressing to think that more people are disgusted with Johnson's prediliction for watching Beastiality films than his behaviour with a 15 year old girl.

[Peter Pedant]

one of Woody Allen's films featured a magazine called Pig Organism
( actually the word was a bit shorter than that )

and look what happened to him

tried it on with his adopted step daughter ?

we live in a world surrounded by absolute filth

[jackthehat]

His behaviour, here in the UK, is unacceptable.....it is unacceptable to our society and our Laws. Had we been in a country with a more 'relaxed', shall we say, attitude to such things the whole distasteful affair wouldn't have raised more than an eyebrow.
But we're not....and it did.

[Peter Pedant]

// Can you guess which of those categories this thread falls into?//

can I guess where self-inflated pomposity and over indulging self importance comes from Mr Hughes ?

No I dont have to guess the caegory- the usual suspects

Accuracy Mr Hughes - longitude is not length as an educated man such as yourself well knows ....

[andy-hughes]

Peter Pedant - //one of Woody Allen's films featured a magazine called Pig Organism
( actually the word was a bit shorter than that )

and look what happened to him

tried it on with his adopted step daughter ? //

If your pseudonym advises that you are keen on the accuracy of details at all costs - then you should be aware that Woody Allen did not adopt Soon-Yi Previn, she was the adopted daughter of his partner Mia Farrow and her ex-husband Andre Previn. At no time did Allen share a home with Soon-Yi, and he took no part in her upbringing, so the salacious nonsense that he abused his own step-daughter are untrue.

I am unsure what you point you are making with your inclusion of Mr Allen into the debate - accurately, or not - ?

[andy-hughes]

Peter Pedant - //Accuracy Mr Hughes - longitude is not length as an educated man such as yourself well knows .... //

I do know that - and I was aware of the slip made by the poster whom you picked up with your 'humourous' response.

But it is a courtesy observed by most on here that typos and odd grammatical errors or misuse of words or phrases are not picked up, because doing so only makes the culprit look superior and pompous, and it distracts from the flow of the thread and the thrust of the debate.