Madeliene Mccann

[Bazile]

It looks like the end for this investigation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36138504


Perhaps at some point in the future , it will be known where she went .

Or it could turn out to be like the Lord Lucan Mystery

[Quizproquo]

Yes Hypgnosis, the woman who lived upstairs reported a child crying for daddy for around 1 hour and 15 minutes in the McCann's apartment two nights before she disappeared. It only stopped at 11:45 pm when her parents returned from a night out.
Her name is Pamela Fenn.

[Hypognosis]

Via Baldric's search results page, I find this on the BBC's timeline

"Late July: British sniffer dogs flown out to Portugal. Keela, who can detect minute quantities of blood, and Eddie, who is trained to detect bodies, work in the apartment and several cars, including the hire car the McCanns had rented 25 days after Madeleine disappeared."

Hired 25 days *after* ??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13386785

Given summer temperatures, if this was a time-delayed disposal of a body then a freezer must have been involved, which escaped the initial search.

Still not proof that the McCanns did anything. If it is a small town and the pool of rental cars is sufficiently small then the odds of them being issued the same rental car used by the murderer might be higher than we imagine.

[Hypognosis]

@Quizproquo

Thanks. More contradictions, there: two nights prior, not one and calling for her dad, not her mum.

[Hypognosis]

In this account of the day's events,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562817/Madeleine-McCann-Confusion-over-last-hours.html

they've chosen a photographic timestamp (easy to set a camera's time or date incorrectly, on purpose) as the last point at which Maddy was seen, other than via the McCann's say so that she was still alive. Hopefully, this was merely editorial choice and independent witnesses did see her, that day and it is all there in the police evidence.

This is necessary to eliminate the possibility that she came to harm the previous night which would have required them to, somehow, bluff their way through the supposed day of disappearance, explaining away the childrens' absence, repeatedly, which would have been tricky.

The witness accounts in the rest of that article disagree with each other like some detective drama. Short of visiting in person, working out who could see which part of which street from what viewpoint cannot be worked out just by reading about it, so I shall not comment.

[Bigbad]

I have enjoyed reading the posts in this thread.
Lots of different opinions and theories.

I never knew about the blood behind the sofa, or that Gerry McCann wiped his phone history.
I have to agree with Svejk saying that if the McCanns had been a working class couple who left their children unattended, the reaction would have been different.

Wasn’t there a little boy who went missing whilst on holiday (possibly Greece) a few years earlier?
I don’t think he was ever found.

[hc4361]

Ben Needham

[Jomlett]

Ben Needham...http://www.helpfindben.co.uk/

[Jomlett]

http://www.helpfindben.co.uk/

[Bigbad]

Thanks hc4361 and Jomlett.

[Quoi]

Spending 4 hours watching the documentary is fascinating ( although biased ).

If you dont want to spend 4 hours then just spend 3 minutes watching a little snippet about Robert Murat and Gerald Mccann.

The link is below but skip to 3.53 (yes 3 hours 53mins) and watch it for 3 of your valuable minutes.

[Prudie]

Yep and because of this and all the other anomalies many of us question whether there is indeed something sinister about the McCanns despite all logic saying why would they do this that and the other if they'd been involved in her disappearance. Maybe it was just Gerry and Kate doesn't know (which is something I suggested earlier in the thread).
As an aside I've just heard that a distant person within my extended family was not only made pregnant by her father but her mother not only knew it had been going on for a while, took her for an abortion and stood 100% by her husband. No-one knows what goes on behind closed doors.

[PeelerPal]

@ QUOI

I have already tried giving people the insight by offering the link to the four hour documentary. there is also a documentary on the time she died and that is also 4 hours long but again absolutely brilliant.

A lot of things make sense after taking the time to look into it and there are things that the BBC doesn't want us to know either. It is a shame that most people just believe everything on tv or in the papers without opening their own mind and asking their own questions and finding out the answers for themselves. it's a sad sad world but all evil perishes in the end.

[ladybirder]

So the police know who took Madeleine.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7113465/Revealed-Brit-cops-know-who-snatched-Maddieand-think-they-have-questioned-him-already.html

[fiction-factory]

I agree that there is something odd about this case in that there are so many inconsistences and changes in the stories given by the McCanns and some friends, and I certainly don't think we can rule out the McCann's party. However unless there really has been a major cover up I cannot see that it is as clear cut as some here are saying that they know McCann's did it.

As for this new Sun story I am not sure that is reliable- it could just as easily be another false lead and /or the work of those within the McCann camp who have successfully controlled large aspects of what the media write.

[ladybirder]

ff The line of inquiry is believed to be the 'one final lead' that Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe referred to this week during a radio interview.

[Quizproquo]

fiction-factory, they were appointed (by the British government) Clarence Mitchell as their spokesperson. Clarence Mitchell! Why aren't the mother of Ben Needham and many other grieving parents of missing children afforded that level of care and publicity and why not?
All future Prime Ministers have either dared not say for bad publicity reasons, or would not go against the status quo as set by previous incumbents.
Gerry and Gordon Brown were close, if not before Madeleine's disappearance then certainly very soon afterwards and the unnatural level of support and protection they have been afforded makes me, shall we say, uncomfortable.

[ummmm]

Media wasn't used in the same way when Ben Needham disappeared.

The McCanns, if they had anything to do with it, could have let the story disappear within a few weeks/months.

[Quizproquo]

The Ben Needham case was taken up by That's Life and Esther Rantzen pushed it relentlessy. Everybody either watched or knew about the stories shown. They made headline news a lot of the time. I have grown up knowing who Ben Needham is, so Ummm, that's not really the case is it that the media was not the same. It was, it just had different outlets according to the technology of the time.

[ummmm]

You're probably right. I was about 17 when he went missing so news probably wasn't high on my agenda. I've always remembered his name and picture though.

It's just amazing how stories go viral on social media nowadays.

[ladybirder]

The police are still working to find Ben Needham.
http://news.sky.com/story/1660576/extra-450k-pledged-to-find-missing-ben-needham