No Mention On Ab....

[agchristie]

Could it be because she is not a highly paid footballer?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3599297/Married-geography-teacher-27-sex-16-year-old-pupil-car-six-month-affair-started-propositioned-giving-lift-home.html

[AB Editor]

It just makes it more fun to read!

It's interesting that there's less "outrage" though, mostly because we don't see young boys as a group of people who need protecting?

[Togo]

I must confess ag I took your op to mean that there was no existing thread on AB because of the very weak reporting in the national press and none at all on the beeb (who ran it wall to wall on Johnson and Evans before that). I did no take your op as a criticism of us here in the congregation, but as a wry observation of the double standards of the mainstream press.

[jno]

it was on the BBC website yesterday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36336092

[agchristie]

Thank you Togo and you are 100% correct.

I could have added 'Why' in the heading but nevertheless I accept the ed's guidance :o)

[Prudie]

Yes it is interesting, obviously there's outrage on AB but not so much in the media - possibly because most 16 year old boys are having sex anyway. By the way there is no actual factual record that she groomed him from 13 just that she knew him presumably as his teacher.
I have to admit I feel sorry for her even thought that's undoubtedly wrong and I can't explain why.

[jno]

you've got the wrong dictionary, Talbot: paedophilia means (or is supposed to mean) sexual attraction to children under puberty. There are assorted subdivisions like hebephilia and ephebophilia. But the word is used so loosely these days that the dictionaries will eventually decide you're correct.

[agchristie]

Thanks jno - from that link:

"The abuse has had an extremely adverse effect on the boy with his studies suffering as a result."

Again, I'm perhaps labouring the point but the cynics could say he should take some of the responsibility for this?

[Old_Geezer]

Well Ed, perhaps because some of us were young boys once and think it feels a little hypocritical to make a fuss since when we were that age we'd have been up for a little naughtiness with an older woman and not have relished interference, er I mean protection, for other adults. One may understand more as one gets older, but one also recalls how we would have felt at the time. There were a fair few older women I'd have liked to take an interest in me and introduce me to the skills of the bedroom. None showed any interest though :-( On the other hand we have it drummed into us for an early age that girls are in need of protection and they can do more or less what they like but you aren't allowed to reciprocate. Consequently it is now natural to want to err on the side of over-protection towards them.

[jno]

Prudie, there's this, from the link

"Brian Reece, prosecuting, said in February last year she gave the boy a lift. ‘She stopped the car and gave him three choices,’ said the prosecutor. ‘They could either sit in silence, she could simply drop him at the station – or they could hug."

Presumably that's when he was 14 or 15. She knew him when he was 13 but there was no evidence she did anything at that stage.

[Old_Geezer]

"from", like I typed; not "for"
>:-(

[agchristie]

Prudie > I have to admit I feel sorry for her even thought that's undoubtedly wrong and I can't explain why.

Is it perhaps because this could have been spotted and nipped in the bud far earlier?

[anotheoldgit]

Prudie

/// Yes it is interesting, obviously there's outrage on AB but not so much in the media - possibly because most 16 year old boys are having sex anyway. ///

And most sixteen year old (and even younger) girls are not, then who pray are the boys having sex with?

/// By the way there is no actual factual record that she groomed him from 13 just that she knew him presumably as his teacher.
I have to admit I feel sorry for her even thought that's undoubtedly wrong and I can't explain why. ///

Could it be because she is a fellow female, would you also feel sorry, if it had been a male teacher?

[anotheoldgit]

AB Editor

/// It's interesting that there's less "outrage" though, mostly because we don't see young boys as a group of people who need protecting? ///

Expendable are they Ed? Thankfully you are not speaking for everyone.

[andy-hughes]

AG - //Why did Adam Johnson, child groomer, stir up so much debate and howls of 'injustice' and 'derision'? //

You raise an interesting point.

Both you and I, and several other regulars, indulged in a passionate debate about Johnson's behaviour, and the defensibility - or not - of it.

Cultural attitudes around this situation seem to polarise, as they did in the Johnson debate -

Young men are naturally sexually voracious coupled with an absence of morals, and famous footballers take advantage of the sex offered by unsuitable young women ... or ...

Tarty underage girls throw themselves at footballers because of the money and glamour that surrounds them, and footballers are innocently enjoying the fringe benefits of their fame, and remain blameless.

Or, as in the case of an exploited male teenager -

A woman in a position of trust has abused and exploited the trust placed in her and behaved in an inappropriate manner ... or ...

A young lad was lucky to be initiated into the mysteries of sex by a randy older woman, and I would have if I could have.

I know which approach I take to these situations - and was amazed at the exhaustive lengths some AB'ers were willing to go to in order to underline their support for Johnson in his status as a 'wronged celebrity'.

I am sure this debate will come around again - depressingly there is always another of these cases around the corner.

[agchristie]

OG > There were a fair few older women I'd have liked to take an interest in me and introduce me to the skills of the bedroom.

Is that from the book of 'Revelations'? :o)

[sp1814]

If she had sex with him only after he turned sixteen, then there's a big difference to the Alan Johnson case.

[viv41]

I wonder if she had images lf bestiality on her computer ??

[agchristie]

AH - thank you for putting more meat on the bones which does help to expand the thought processes. In the scenarios you have described you fill invariably find plenty of folk in both camps...

[agchristie]

Sp > then there's a big difference to the Alan Johnson case.

Wow, now that is libellous to the Labour figure! :)

[andy-hughes]

sp1814 - //If she had sex with him only after he turned sixteen, then there's a big difference to the Alan Johnson case. //

I would agree that in legal terms, there is a big difference, because she is not guilty of abusing a child, as Johnson was.

However, I find the moral argument less easy to support - she still abused her position of trust, and waiting until a specified date in the calendar does not eliminate her wrongdoing from that aspect.