How Will This End?

[youngmafbog]

I know debates need to air views but this is getting real nasty. Meanwhile the country does not have a viable opposition.

How is this likely to end, not only for the labour party but for the country as a whole?

http://news.sky.com/story/sparks-fly-as-smith-takes-fight-to-corbyn-in-bitter-labour-debate-10532438

[Zacs-Master]

My honest opinion is that Labour are finished (as i've pointed out previously, this actually happened in about 1987. New Labour was just Conservatism in a red dress). There needs to be a breakaway group forming a new party.

[Old_Geezer]

It'll end with a compromise leader finally taking over as these things always do. Unsure who is on the horizon to achieve that, but it is often the case when someone takes over, most of the country, who don't study politics and regularly keep up-to-date on the parties in detail, says, "Who ?"

Meanwhile there is likely to be no agreement between those who want the party to stand for the left wing policies and offer a genuine alternative to the right wing party, for when the country realises it needs a change, and those who'd rather shift further right and be a Conservative Lite party, in the hope that'll result in looking more electable now.

But the Labour party will still continue, as will the country. It didn't all go to pot when the Tories were out of favour and folk were speculating if the Liberals might actually become the second party. It won't for Labour now.

[jim360]

"The debate, which was plunged into darkness by a power cut less than 15 minutes after starting..."

I'm sure there's an apt political metaphor in that happening but I can't quite put my finger on it...

[andy-hughes]

There is a way to go yet I feel.

Time will take care of Jeremy Corbyn - when it comes to election time, the party will jettison him because anyone who knows anything about the British voters knows that Corbyn joins Foot, Kinnock and Milliband - he is simply unelectable.

Quite who will replace him is the dilemma, given Corbyn's grass-roots support. If that grass-roots support formed the majority of the electorate, there would be no problem - but clearly it is nowhere near.

[EDDIE51]

Corbyn will win the labour leadership election by a landslide. Because the ordinary party members are the ones who vote on the leadership election, and they are VERY strongly behind Corbyn.
This will not please the majority of current labour MP s who are followers of Tony Blair (known as 'Blairites' ) and closer in political outlook to the Tory party than to 'Old Labour' which supported the workers and trade unions.
The Labour MPs are now panicking as they realise that once Corbyn wins the Labour party leadership they will need to become very much more 'Corbynist' in their politics or be deselected in favour of traditional 'old labour' candidates
For the country as a whole I am sure there will be a move towards 'old labour' at the next general election. 'Old labour' are far closer in political outlook to the Scots and Welsh nationalists so I see a coalition between them the SNP and the Welsh nationalists to oust the Tories. This coalition may very well be enough to form the next government and keep the Tories out of power.
I expect a lot of backlash on this view of mine because the large majority of AB users are strongly 'Tory'.

[ToraToraTora]

"Time will take care of Jeremy Corbyn - when it comes to election time, the party will jettison him because anyone who knows anything about the British voters knows that Corbyn joins Foot, Kinnock and Milliband - he is simply unelectable. " - how Andy? he'll win the contest he'll then have won twice, the clearest mandate beyond the last one. If the PLP don't like Corbyn then they'll have to form a new party. I agree he's unelectable but Labour have dug themselves into such a hole, I cannot see any way out without Labour dissolving.

[ChillDoubt]

Surprised mikey hasn't been along to tell us how badly UKIP are faring......

[ichkeria]

Interestingly the new members won't have a vote now after all

[EDDIE51]

^^ The appeal ruling is still being decided by 3 high court judges, it is said to be 50/50 as to which way it goes .

[ichkeria]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37057589

[jourdain2]

Meanwhile, the country needs an opposition which can function effectively. We don't have it and that is very worrying, it is what our system depends on to avoid extremism either way.

[cassa333]

Eventually even Corbyn will come to realise that to be effective you have to have power.

Regardless of his or his followers beliefs he will not actually have any power.

Time will show them if you want to make changes you have to first conform then change by degrees once able.

If he truly believe that because a 'few' militants make a lot of noise in his favour that that will translate into useable power then he is more deluded than even I thought.

Without power you are truly nothing in politics.