Why Has It Took 32 Years To Find This Monster Sane Enough To Live His Life Out In An Ordinary Jail?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3735309/Ripper-told-cushy-life-32-years-Broadmoor-Sutcliffe-going-proper-jail-officially-declared-sane.html

/// He will die in jail as he is serving a whole-life tariff. ///

Judging by the number of horrendous killings that take place today, why is this type of sentence not more frequently handed out?

[ummmm]

Mental illness isn't always there for life.

[andy-hughes]

Because the alteration of people's mental state is not time-sensitive.

The doctors and psychiatrists at Broadmoor will have monitored Sutcliffe's situation regularly, and it will have taken until now for them to be satisfied that his current mental state meets the requirements for treatment at Broadmoor no longer to be appropriate - and that a relapse is not foreseeable.

That means that he can be held in a standard facility, without access to the specialist personnel at Broadmoor.

[Old_Geezer]

Perhaps not; or maybe with folk who were that far gone, it isn't always evident for all their life.

Clearly it suggests he is still considered a danger or we wouldn't be planning to keep him at our expense.

[andy-hughes]

ummmm - we cross-posted, but we are in agreement here.

[andy-hughes]

Old_Geezer - //Clearly it suggests he is still considered a danger or we wouldn't be planning to keep him at our expense. //

I would suggest that judging Sutcliffe to be suitable for imprisonment outside the specialist surroundings of Broadmoor does not equate to him being safe enough to be released into the community.

[Old_Geezer]

Indeed. I believe that was basically what I was saying.

[ummmm]

Not sure he's still considered a danger but that doesn't matter. He was given a whole life tariff as a punishment for his crimes.

[andy-hughes]

Old_Geezer - //Indeed. I believe that was basically what I was saying. //

It was, although I always wonder why people comment on prisoners being incarcerated 'at our expense' - as though there is an alternative?

[ludwig]

Don't knock it AOG. If he'd been sane, he'd have got a 'life' sentence and been let out years ago.

[ludwig]

Don't knock it AOG. If he'd been sane, he'd have got a 'life' sentence and been let out years ago.

[ummmm]

You know the alternative, Andy, and it's usually let them dangle...

[andy-hughes]

ummmm - //You know the alternative, Andy, and it's usually let them dangle... //

Sorry, I should have added - what's the alternative for a civilised society?

[ToraToraTora]

because the judiciary are gullible.

[Old_Geezer]

In this case the alternative would be to declare that because he is now sane, he is no longer a danger, and can go live next to you.

[EDDIE51]

A person can be 100% 'sane' yet still get a whole life tariff.
AOG this type of sentence can not be more frequently handed out as it is reserved for only the most serious of multi murderers. It can not be handed out for even the very worst single murders , there has to be a series of killings. The 'Whole Life Tariff' has never been used where there are less than 3 murders by the same person.
The tariff can be set at 37 years without it being 'whole life' so In reality many more murderers can be in jail for life. Remember a Tariff is only the minimum time that has to be served before the process of applying for parole can even be started. It will be quite a few more years before anyone actually gets out.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - //because the judiciary are gullible. //

The judiciary arrived at the sentence for Sutcliffe - his incarceration in Broadmoor in not with their remit.

That will have been decided by psychiatrists with most of the alphabet after their names and they could certainly not be described as 'gullible'.

It is simply not possible over a long period to convince a team of psychiatric professionals that you are criminally insane if you are not.

The average person would have no concept of the behaviour and attitude displayed that would confirm that notion, much less to 'act' it for this length of time.

[EDDIE51]

TTT it is NOT the Judiciary who decide if a convicted offender is 'sane' or not it is a team of mental health health experts , the judge has no say in it. So your contention that 'the judiciary are ' gullible' can not be correct.

[andy-hughes]

Old_Geezer - //In this case the alternative would be to declare that because he is now sane, he is no longer a danger, and can go live next to you. //

I don't agree.

It is possible to me sane and still not be fit for release back into the community.

Rather than applying measuremenst of 'sane' and 'insane' - it is more likely that the Broadmoor psychiatrists have concluded that the specialist treatment they offer is no longer of benefit sufficient to justify Sutcliffe taking up a place there.

That does not mean he has suddenly 'become sane' - more likely that lower-level treatment can be administered by standard prison psychiatrists, and that is therefore a suitable environment for him for the future.

[ToraToraTora]

are these the "experts" that have given back at least 2 children to be murdered this year alone? Charlatans the lot of them. I have no confidence in these "ologists" at all, mickey mouse degrees because they can do a proper subject.

[ummmm]

TTT "Charlatans the lot of them"

No they aren't...