Why Has It Took 32 Years To Find This Monster Sane Enough To Live His Life Out In An Ordinary Jail?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3735309/Ripper-told-cushy-life-32-years-Broadmoor-Sutcliffe-going-proper-jail-officially-declared-sane.html

/// He will die in jail as he is serving a whole-life tariff. ///

Judging by the number of horrendous killings that take place today, why is this type of sentence not more frequently handed out?

[ummmm]

*sigh*

[andy-hughes]

TTT - //good points YMB, we just are clueless about running proper jails,//

To be accurate, we are clueless at what you perceive to be 'proper jails' - which is not actually the same thing.

[Zacs-Master]

If TTT means places of incarceration which act as a deterrent, then he's correct but this will be in conflict with your view of 'civilized' Andy.

[ToraToraTora]

there are scum in what we deign to call jails living better than law abiding citizens, can that be correct? No they're there for a reason and we don't want repeat bookings.

[Zacs-Master]

.....as I said.....

[jackthehat]

There will be a great deal of 'kudos' in being the chap who kills Sutcliffe/Cullen.

He is *not* a hero to many of those 'inmates' who have been living with him cheek by jowl.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - //If TTT means places of incarceration which act as a deterrent, then he's correct but this will be in conflict with your view of 'civilized' Andy. //

I would not wish to speak for TTT, but if deduce correctly, his view (and feel free to chip in if I am wrong TTT) - is that our jails are far too soft, and we should be keeping prisoners in far harsher conditions than he perceives that we do in the UK.

My view is that the incarceration and loss of liberty is the punishment, and in a civilised society, that is as far as we would wish to go - I do not believe that prisons are the 'holiday camps' of tabloid perception.

As far as a 'deterrent' goes - it may work for a once-incarcerated criminal who may avoid going back, it is no deterrent at all to anyone else, because no criminal every believes he will be caught.

[ummmm]

And you can't compare prisons in countries where much of the population live in absolute poverty with prisons in the UK.

[ToraToraTora]

why not?

[ummmm]

Look at Thailand. A family/extended family could live in not much more than a hut, no running water or electricity. Commit a crime and they get sent somewhere that is worse than life at home.

That is disproportionate for people in the UK.

[Old_Geezer]

That's all very well, but you will recall you were wondering what the alternatives were A-H.

[jno]

Judging by the number of horrendous killings that take place today

you really think there many killings as horrendous as the ones this man committed? I can only beg to differ. They're rare.

[THECORBYLOON]

TTT if prison is so easy, would you fancy spending a few year in gaol?

[anotheoldgit]

Peter Pedant

/// AOG - completel mish mash of non-sequiturs we have come to expect from you. ///

Look who's talking, if you only realise it you are agreeing with what I put.

[ToraToraTora]

TCL - "TTT if prison is so easy, would you fancy spending a few year in gaol? " - no I would not, prison does deter me, it should be tough enough to deter the criminal scum, that's the point. Nothing deters 100% but you can deter most, at the moment criminals do not fear jail, that's why our jails are too soft.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // ... at the moment criminals do not fear jail, that's why our jails are too soft. //

As I have pointed out previously, criminals don;t fear jail because they don;t ever think they will end up there!

If any criminal thought about the consequences of their actions, they would not commit the crime.

But criminals, by definition, are not usually very bright, so thinking ahead to consequences is not in their mind set, and that is what is needed for any deterant to work.

Ask any criminal in any prison for anything if he thought he would end up there - what do you think the answer would be?

[whiskeryron]

If you apply the principle that 'normal' people do not commit murder, you are left with the fact that anyone who does, is insane maybe temporarily at the time of committing the act but certainly not normal. Can we therefore say that all killers are insane & should be placed in special places for the criminally insane ?

[andy-hughes]

whiskeyron - //If you apply the principle that 'normal' people do not commit murder, you are left with the fact that anyone who does, is insane maybe temporarily at the time of committing the act but certainly not normal. Can we therefore say that all killers are insane & should be placed in special places for the criminally insane ?//

No.

The act of murder is not the behavior of a sane person, but that lapse of sanity may be temporary, and not the same as the mind-set of someone who has long term and potentially untreatable mental health isues.

[ummmm]

Many murders are in a domestic setting carried out by sadistic bullies. Strangely so many of them find their self control when confronted by someone bigger and harder.