Muslims Forced-To-Leave Christmas-Market.....

[trt]

Why the fuss, you couldn't have a Christmas/Religious stall at a market in Saudi Arabia!

http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/03/muslims-forced-to-leave-christmas-market-after-setting-up-islam-information-stand-6298753/

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //andy-hughes // I don't listen to anyone who claims to ‘know’ how religions work – and that actually includes priests.//

In that case I MUST be right in assuming that when you said “What about a little religious tolerance, such as Jesus preached”, you were making it up. //

Because I don't believe in God does not prevent me from appealing to the better nature of those who do - a better nature which is supposed to be a cornerstone of their faith, but seems curiously absent here.

[Togo]

We must all learn to turn the other cheek.....................just like ah.

[andy-hughes]

Togo - 'turning the other cheek' is one of many dubious and irrational concepts dreamed up as part of the Christian faith for their followers to live by.

I am delighted to confirm that, as an atheist, I am exempt from such nonsense.

[-Talbot-]

You're one of the biggest exponents of 'Turning the other cheek' on AB, andy

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - your perception, but in common with other naysayers on this section - inaccurate.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes at 09:04, well, we were talking about what you erroneously claimed Jesus said - but if you prefer not to continue that discussion, that’s fine. It strikes me that in this instance it would be more appropriate to appeal to the better nature of the Muslims who, at a Christmas event, were promoting Islam, reminding them that little respect for other people doesn’t go amiss.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //andy-hughes at 09:04, well, we were talking about what you erroneously claimed Jesus said - but if you prefer not to continue that discussion, that’s fine. //

You and I and everyone has absolutely no idea what Jesus said, if indeed he existed to say anything, but let's not get bogged down with that juicy sidetrack.

// It strikes me that in this instance it would be more appropriate to appeal to the better nature of the Muslims who, at a Christmas event, were promoting Islam, reminding them that little respect for other people doesn’t go amiss. //

I see nothing disrespectful in using a public gathering to promote understanding of a faith - the disrespect angle only comes in when people are unwilling to allow that.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //You and I and everyone has absolutely no idea what Jesus said//

And yet you said “What about a little religious tolerance, such as Jesus preached”. Make your mind up.

//I see nothing disrespectful in using a public gathering to promote understanding of a faith//

That doesn’t surprise me. Funny how 'respect' is expected only from one side.

[andy-hughes]

Indeed it is - from the Muslims it seems.

Their perceived 'lack of respect' is what has created this whole shameful incident in the first place.

[naomi24]

Nothing 'perceived' about it.

[fiction-factory]

Do you know whether they had got permissionfor their stall from the organisers, Naomi?

[naomi24]

I think they did. Why?

[fiction-factory]

"Their market, their rules" seems fair enough then. Maybe they wanted (perhaps unwisely) to give the visitors to the market a chance to learn about Islam and help with integration..

[naomi24]

Or maybe they just wanted to rent out another pitch.

[fiction-factory]

Maybe. So a lack of respect by the organisers rather than /as well as by the Muslims then?

[naomi24]

The stall holders knew what their stall would be ‘selling’ but I’m not sure the organisers would have known what the pitch was booked for – but don’t let that stop you scraping the barrel.

By the way, just in case you missed it, you asked a question on another thread and I responded.

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1526410-4.html

[fiction-factory]

Scraping the barrel? I think we have established that they were there with permission so it is the antiMuslim brigade here who are scraping the barrel by trying to defend people taking matters into their own hands when it is none of their business. If they had concerns they should have done it through the proper channels. Maybe ignoring them would have been the best policy- that's what I'd have done- that would have sent more of a message.

Will look at other link later after work Naomi- if it's the one confirming 9 year old brides in the West, yes I saw it and agree it is shocking- although I noted that the marriages took place overseas so we may struggle to stop it unless we can detect it when they return and punish the offenders or get foreign governments to step in

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, ignoring them seems to be your forte.

//I noted that the marriages took place overseas//

You missed this bit.

//She was among a number of cases reported following a Sunday Times investigation, which found child marriages had been taking place in mosques and living rooms in the UK as well as abroad.//

[fiction-factory]

No- I would just ignore those acting lawfully and peacefully and maybe helping in society . I wouldn't ignore or condone unlawful behaviour by anyone (such as vigilante actions) including perpetrators of the shocking offences you mentioned about child brides or sexual abuse of children by anyone

[fiction-factory]

Anyway- I thought this threas was about vigilante action by locals not about child brides in the West