Martin Mcguiness Dies.

Islay | 06:25 Tue 21st Mar 2017 | News

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ichkeria

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Galloway is on planet Galloway. A complete irrelevance to anything sensible. I hope Mr McGuinness's death will spur the politicians on to agreement in the current difficult circumstances. In the end he was a major figure in the peace process and his death is a sad event. He proved that people can change for the better.

07:38 Tue 21st Mar 2017

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trt

## McGuinness changed. As Mandela said, if YOU can't change yourself, how can you expect society to change? ##

I wonder if the families of those that died, would agree with that?

New Judge

"...by the unthinking and shortsighted voices of reaction."

I don't mind you disagreeing with my opinion, allen, but please don't suggest I'm "unthinking". It's precisely because I have thought about the matter that I've reached the conclusion I have. I've not acted irrationally or in a reactionary manner. I don't think the facts are in dispute and I've explained my reasoning. It's just the conclusions we arrive at that differ.

cassa333

History is written and rewritten and updated by the winning side. His history has been rewritten to up his peace making and down play his murders.

Perhaps the memorial program should start with an honest look at all the death and carnage he instigated, interviews with people effected. Show him in his true colours. Does it matter why he did what he did? NO. There is no excuse for murdering innocent people (and CHILDREN).

Then when nearing the end show him having his apitheny. 'Oh no we're losing. Shall I die for what I believe or save my skin and broker peace?'

Once peace had been agreed him and all the other terrorists should have been put out to pasture with a new beginning of less violent people.

Islay

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Can we say alleged murders? I did not think he has ever stood trial for any murders or been charged.

douglas9401

Don't know about anybody else, but I'll stick with the much snappier 'murders'.

naomi24

Me too.

TWR

We can all turn over a new leaf, & he did no matter what past he had.

Islay

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Of course Douglas why should being wrong change your opinion

cassa333

No Islay. Let's not say alleged. That is a modern excuse and appeasing attitude.

He directly murdered people. He directly instigated murders and organised others to murder. He got away with it because he "became a changed man" and got himself in at the top of the food chain.

Islay

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Cassa has he stood trial for any of these murders? Do you have evidence that he has murdered anyone?

naomi24

Islay, Jimmy Savile was never accused and never stood trial. That doesn't mean he was innocent.

Togo

He is standing trial now, and being "judged" by his own deity. Take him down will be the verdict then.

douglas9401

"why should being wrong change your opinion"

A motto that's served you well on here.

Peter Pedant

// but please don't suggest I'm "unthinking". //

I didnt think for long over - "do you want to die for Irish Freedom or go on living" - to reach the decision - go on living please

so short you may call me unthinking if you wish

McG did either ( die for Irish Freedom ) so we are kinda united on that one

as for the quaint idea that Jimmy S didnt stand trial and can still be guilty of offences - well no strictly speaking he cant be...
- but hell this is a normal day on AB -

Peter Pedant

didnt ..... not 'did'

hey - " when the facts change I change my mind what do you do ? "
Jon Maynard Keynes - is this the first historical mention of "alternative facts"

naomi24

PeterPedant, //as for the quaint idea that Jimmy S didnt stand trial and can still be guilty of offences - well no strictly speaking he cant be... //

Nothing quaint about it. He didn't - and he was.

Peter Pedant

nope Nigh
we are both using words with different meanings
in the same conversation

Jimmy S could still look 'guilty' if he ate too many cream cakes or whatever but unfortunately as a result of innocent until proven guilty he was still as innocent as the day he was born when it comes to crimes

yeah yeah who am I to judge ? the jury is still out on that one etc unless we agree on what the words mean it is difficult to have a meaningful conversation ( as usual on AB )