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Disgusting People, Wish There Was A Law To Stop Them
The poor kids! :-(
I think their photo's give you a an idea what type they are, and they probably got well paid for the story!
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I think their photo's give you a an idea what type they are, and they probably got well paid for the story!
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//Someone said earlier 'You only have to look at the photographs' - now that made me shudder.
How shallow. //
We all judge people by appearance to a degree so I presume that makes me as shallow as others. My negative assessment of these two has arisen from what they're doing, and their appearance does nothing to reassure me.
How shallow. //
We all judge people by appearance to a degree so I presume that makes me as shallow as others. My negative assessment of these two has arisen from what they're doing, and their appearance does nothing to reassure me.
To expand my point in regard to 'gender fluidity' (God that has to have been made up by someone with far too much time on their hands, and correspondingly little experience of life!) - the idea is simply not sustainable.
I am biologically a man. If I shave my legs, wear makeup and a wig, get implants and wear a bra, and step out looking like a David Walliams character, that will not alter my gender one iota.
So the idea that this child can 'choose' his gender from day to day is simply attention-seeking posturing by two people who ought to have enough experience of just how vile society is towards those it doesn't understand, and therefore fears and hates violently.
I would have thought they would bless the fact that their child does not have to undergo the traumas they have had, coupled with the attendant abuse and hostility.
Instead, they seem intent on steering him into exactly that scenario with their half-baked nonsense about gender, and just how much it can or cannot be 'adjusted' to suit the whims of parents who more than any others, ought to know better.
I am biologically a man. If I shave my legs, wear makeup and a wig, get implants and wear a bra, and step out looking like a David Walliams character, that will not alter my gender one iota.
So the idea that this child can 'choose' his gender from day to day is simply attention-seeking posturing by two people who ought to have enough experience of just how vile society is towards those it doesn't understand, and therefore fears and hates violently.
I would have thought they would bless the fact that their child does not have to undergo the traumas they have had, coupled with the attendant abuse and hostility.
Instead, they seem intent on steering him into exactly that scenario with their half-baked nonsense about gender, and just how much it can or cannot be 'adjusted' to suit the whims of parents who more than any others, ought to know better.
Naomi - // My negative assessment of these two has arisen from what they're doing, and their appearance does nothing to reassure me. //
Your observation appears to indicate that you regard their appearance as connected to their behaviour.
It may be - but that connection is not as automatic as you appear suggesting.
Do they look unusual? Yes.
Is their behaviour unusual? Yes.
Does one preclude the other? No.
Remember this?
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Appearance - utterly 'normal' - behaviour, anything but!
Your observation appears to indicate that you regard their appearance as connected to their behaviour.
It may be - but that connection is not as automatic as you appear suggesting.
Do they look unusual? Yes.
Is their behaviour unusual? Yes.
Does one preclude the other? No.
Remember this?
https:/
Appearance - utterly 'normal' - behaviour, anything but!
Yes, I would agree mikey a well written and thought out post by A-H.
I would just like to make a point about "appearance", it may make one shudder to judge a person on appearance, what they are wearing if their hair is near , if their shoes are clean ( not so important now) and how they present themselves. Like it or not, that is the first impression that you get of a person and is important in childhood and becomes increasingly more important as the child matures into manhood, especially when they are seeking higher education or indeed employment.
I would just like to make a point about "appearance", it may make one shudder to judge a person on appearance, what they are wearing if their hair is near , if their shoes are clean ( not so important now) and how they present themselves. Like it or not, that is the first impression that you get of a person and is important in childhood and becomes increasingly more important as the child matures into manhood, especially when they are seeking higher education or indeed employment.
I guess the point I was making is that AH is happy enough being a man, so for him or anyone else in that position to cross-dress is, presumably, the sort of thing he might do "for fun", at a party, or that sort of thing. At any rate, the clothes and wig would go on "on a whim", so to speak, and are nothing to do with gender identity. Clothes don't maketh the woman.
All of the gender identity issues come before -- long, long before -- you actually slip into the dress and wig and that. *That's* what's important. Not the clothes you wear, but what you are thinking before, during, and after wearing them.
Returning to the original story, that's why I'm wary. It's possible that young Star (or Star Cloud?) is going to grow up indeed with questions about his gender identity, and if he ever got around to asking them then I am sure that most people would be happy to be supportive (if not instantly encouraging, which is perfectly understandable for the very young). But given the choices his parents have made, is he going to be exploring his gender identity of his own volition, or because he thinks that's what his parents want?
Hard to say. I would not be surprised to hear that, in a few years' time, Star Cloud settles into being just one or the other, if perhaps in touch with his feminine side. What I hope, at least, is that he does get to be his own person. Parenting in this style could be just as much a risk to that as trying to suppress gender identity questions in the young.
All of the gender identity issues come before -- long, long before -- you actually slip into the dress and wig and that. *That's* what's important. Not the clothes you wear, but what you are thinking before, during, and after wearing them.
Returning to the original story, that's why I'm wary. It's possible that young Star (or Star Cloud?) is going to grow up indeed with questions about his gender identity, and if he ever got around to asking them then I am sure that most people would be happy to be supportive (if not instantly encouraging, which is perfectly understandable for the very young). But given the choices his parents have made, is he going to be exploring his gender identity of his own volition, or because he thinks that's what his parents want?
Hard to say. I would not be surprised to hear that, in a few years' time, Star Cloud settles into being just one or the other, if perhaps in touch with his feminine side. What I hope, at least, is that he does get to be his own person. Parenting in this style could be just as much a risk to that as trying to suppress gender identity questions in the young.
Jim, you say //Clothes don't maketh the woman. //
. and then go on to say ….
//All of the gender identity issues come before -- long, long before -- you actually slip into the dress and wig and that. *That's* what's important. Not the clothes you wear, but what you are thinking before, during, and after wearing them.//
… so why do you wear them - and what are you thinking?
. and then go on to say ….
//All of the gender identity issues come before -- long, long before -- you actually slip into the dress and wig and that. *That's* what's important. Not the clothes you wear, but what you are thinking before, during, and after wearing them.//
… so why do you wear them - and what are you thinking?
I'm speaking in general terms, Naomi. From personal experience, of course, but I'll leave the particularly personal to closer acquaintances if that's OK.
But what I am saying is that if you have questions about your gender identity then they are present whether or not you end up wearing clothes, that at that point are merely an expression of what you already wanted.
But what I am saying is that if you have questions about your gender identity then they are present whether or not you end up wearing clothes, that at that point are merely an expression of what you already wanted.
jim360 - //I would not be surprised to hear that, in a few years' time, Star Cloud settles into being just one or the other, if perhaps in touch with his feminine side. //
He can't 'settle into being just one or the other' - and that is the entire point I am making.
The stupidity of the concept of 'gender fluidity' is writ large in its title - it is an oxymoron of galloping proportions! Gender is not 'fluid' - it is an absolute.
People do not change gender, they undertake treatment and surgery to align themselves completely to the gender with which they were born, it is not a matter of choice at all.
He can't 'settle into being just one or the other' - and that is the entire point I am making.
The stupidity of the concept of 'gender fluidity' is writ large in its title - it is an oxymoron of galloping proportions! Gender is not 'fluid' - it is an absolute.
People do not change gender, they undertake treatment and surgery to align themselves completely to the gender with which they were born, it is not a matter of choice at all.
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