Brexit: Theresa May Under Pressure To Get Dup On Side

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42231497

Mrs May has failed in her attempt to get a deal on the NI-Eire border problem, mainly because of the DUPs intransigence.

It was obvious to everyone, that the DUP were not going to agree about this, so where does Mrs May go now ? If she just ignores the DUP, her Government will fail.

[emmie]

why should the government fail?

[douglas9401]

I'm sure I saw a question like this last night.

It was nonsense then too.

[ToraToraTora]

Ignore the DUP, the government will not instantly dissolve mikey. You seem to think that as soon as a majority is not there some sort of cartoon boot comes out and kicks the government out. Far from it.

[mikey4444]

Because May needs the DUP to support her in important votes Emmie.

And if she seriously pees them off over the Border issue, there is no guarantee that the DUP will continue to offer that support.......the DUP has her over a barrel.

[emmie]

i confess i don;t know enough about this, but i am trying to keep up, why do you automatically think this government will fail/fall down/give up, i would honestly like to know.

[mikey4444]

Emmie....I just explained that !

May went into a pact with the DUP, because after the June Election, she had lost her over majority.

She needs the DUP.

[ToraToraTora]

There is no choice but to ignore the DUP. No one wants a hard border so we have to do some sort of deal and sadly that means lobbing the DUP under the bus on this issue. If a VNC if forth coming then I doubt the DUP will support the opposition anyway because they would suffer a lot more if a subsequent GE returned Labour so I think the VNC would be survived. So sadly mikey you'll have to wait a bit longer for your man to wreck the country.

[mikey4444]

TTT...apart from the last sentence, I too think that the DUP should be ignored. But do you honestly think that an imposed solution to the Border problem can seriously work without the DUP approval ?

[Gromit]

The will change the wording ever so slightly, and the DUP will agree to that. The substance of the agreement will be exactly the same, but the agreement will have been on the DUPs terms, not Mrs May’s.

[emmie]

it ok i get it, but some things need more in depth explanation. I am going out shortly so will catch up when i can.

[mikey4444]

Emmie...okey-dokey !

[ToraToraTora]

Mikey: "But do you honestly think that an imposed solution to the Border problem can seriously work without the DUP approval ? " - yes you seem to be attaching undue importance to the DUP. Sure the government needs the DUP to win votes in the house but it also needs it's own MPs on side and then it assumes that all the opposition will vote against the government on any given issue. The Government could govern as a minority and would almost certainly survive a VNC so calm down dear don't get so excited. In reality the PM will offer the DUP another bauble and change the wording slightly and we'll be sorted. Looks like 2022 until your team get another chance.

[cassa333]

Emmie, it's because Mikey desperately wants the present government to fail and for the comrades in the socialist, sorry Labour Party to swoop in and ruin the country so badly he jumps on any and all problems and magnifies them.

[ToraToraTora]

BA for casssa!

[emmie]

cassa

i understand that bit, but some of it goes right over my head.

[mikey4444]

TTT...so if May didn't, and still doesn't need the DUP, why did she bribe them with all that money earlier on this summer ?

If she thinks that she can get an agreement on the crucial Border issue, despite the DUP, why did she come back from Brussels empty-handed yesterday ?

[ToraToraTora]

as I said at 09:25 she needs them for close votes etc. Brexit is not the only purpose of government. Explain to me then how you think the government can fall? Wishful thinking me old china.

[Kromovaracun]

Bear in mind the Tory party is also seriously divided and on the verge of civil war. The dissidents in the party are pretty much only kept in line by the fact that May keeps a working majority in parliament - if she loses that, then she effectively is unable to govern. It's somewhat fanciful to pretend she will just carry on. Everyone knows if she loses her majority then her leadership will get challenged very quickly, and the resulting divisions in the tory party will very likely result in an election early next year.

[Kromovaracun]

Because it will get defeated on every vote, 3T. How long do minority governments typically last? Not long. And that's with united parties, which the present Tory party is not.

[ToraToraTora]

not saying it will be easy but the idea that losing the majority is instant collapse is fanciful. The government could lose every vote kromo if all the opposition cooperate. In the end the DUP may well have their noses out of joint but they wont side with the opposition, at worst they'll abstain. Of there is also the assumption that all of Labour would back their leader which is far from certain. In reality though the DUP will be brought back on side with some sort of bauble.