Should The Us Arm Its Teachers In The Wake Of

[emmie]

all the killings in it's schools, seems a step too far even for the USA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42804741

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //My point is that the NRA's assumption that a 'good guy with a gun' stays a 'good guy' may well be open to question...//

It would be if that's what they say .... but it isn't what they say.

[Quizproquo]

Naomi you're confusing me. Do you agree that teachers should be armed?

[Mamyalynne]

An NRA executive did use those words a while back.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/21/nra-only-way-to-stop-a-bad-guy-with-a-gun-is-with-a-good-guy-with-a-gun/

These seems now to be..

The slogan of the NRA is "Guns don't kill people; people kill people"

My opinion is that teachers shouldn't be armed and it would be interesting to know how many teachers want that responsibility.

[Peter Pedant]

AB is the font of good ideas
finding a girl friend / wife for Harry
planning Brexit
and now arming Ky teachers - I hope with explosive uranium tipped bullets

so a child can come home and say
"I tried to correct the teacher over Mad King George and he hot me down in flames!"

or - I am the butt of his jokes
meaning that he had smacked the child in the mush with the gun stock

or - I said to the teacher - is thadda a gun or are you pleased to see me ? and he pulled out a gun and it was pretty obvious he wasnt pleased to see me.....

or, when the teacher said - near miss, have another shot ......

[naomi24]

Quizproquo, I make a concerted effort to write in plain English so I would hope my posts don't confuse anyone. Until now on this thread I've simply addressed andy-hughes' misrepresentations .... but for the record, no, I don't believe teachers should be armed.

[naomi24]

Mamyalynne, I know what the NRA’s mantra is - and it doesn’t come anywhere near to claiming a good guy with a gun stays a good guy. See 19:32.

[Peter Pedant]

// Quizproquo, I make a concerted effort to write in plain English // someone

so do I QPQ - but I so often seem to fail.....

[Mamyalynne]

I was simply pointing out that an NRA Exec used those words and that is where the confusion may have come from.

//During a press conference Friday, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre says these people might still be alive today if school personnel were armed when 20-year-old gunman Adam Lanza entered Sandy Hook Elementary School.

“The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre said.//

[naomi24]

Mamyalynne. //I was simply pointing out that an NRA Exec used those words //

We know. That's been acknowledged.

[emmie]

so some schools, states already have armed teachers, what a mad world they live in,

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // andy-hughes, //My point is that the NRA's assumption that a 'good guy with a gun' stays a 'good guy' may well be open to question...//

It would be if that's what they say .... but it isn't what they say. //

I know it's not what they say - that's why I used the word 'assumption' - it's just five lines up, where you quoted it.

[andy-hughes]

The stance of the NRA chimes with the stance of the Viewers And Listeners Association back in the sixties.

For those not old enough - a housewife named Mary Whitehouse took it upon herself to sweep the tides of filth from the nation's television, and she and a like-minded bunch of people lobbied Parliament, got on TV, and generally made their presence felt.

The point always was - how come 'the nation' is in danger of corruption, but Mrs Whitehouse and friends are somehow exempt?

The NRA's position is similar - and I am surmising here, rather than quoting directly - We are good guys and we know how to handle guns, so if everyone joins the NRA, that 'goodness' will be bestowed on them as well, and together we can police America and always only shoot bad people. That's how you get a 'good guy with a gun'.

Only a fool could seriously argue that more guns in 'the right hands' make America a safer place, because 'the right hands' only exist in the NRA's fantasy.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, I know you used the word 'assumption', but it’s your assumption, not theirs. As far as I’m aware they’ve never said, or assumed, that “a 'good guy with a gun' stays a 'good guy'. They’re your words.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // andy-hughes, I know you used the word 'assumption', but it’s your assumption, not theirs. As far as I’m aware they’ve never said, or assumed, that “a 'good guy with a gun' stays a 'good guy'. They’re your words. //

Again a fair point.

I am sure though you will concede that in my assumption, I am merely applying the necessary nanosecond of logical analysis necessary for the NRA's point to become the utter nonsense that it is.

Still, they must be applauded for their consistency - if you can be stupid enough to think that "The answer to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun ... ", then you can be stupid enough not to realise that your statement is compete nonsense that doesn't stand up to the analysis of a five-year-old.

[Peter Pedant]

a housewife named Mary Whitehouse took it upon herself to sweep the tides of filth from the nation's television,

and has some connection with the gun lobby

like when she wasnt complaining about Beeb porn she was planning to machine gun the Beeb board ?

the same Mrs Desiree Carthorse ? - again you need to be aged around 120 to clock that

[andy-hughes]

Peter - // a housewife named Mary Whitehouse took it upon herself to sweep the tides of filth from the nation's television,

and has some connection with the gun lobby

like when she wasnt complaining about Beeb porn she was planning to machine gun the Beeb board ? //

The link is - some individuals, and they join organisations like The Viewers And Listeners Association (Mrs Whitehouse's collective), or the NRA - believe that the world needs their input into how to conduct itself against a tide of wrong behaviour, from which, for reasons never explained - they are immune.

The NRA clearly sees itself as 'good guys with guns', which frankly, would be laughable were it not so tragic.