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Chuck Close Show At The National Gallery Of Art Postponed Over Sexual Misconduct
Isn't this all getting out of control? shocking news! artist asks women to undress. What's new?
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Khandro
You asked:
What if the builder who put the extension onto your house was found guilty of historic rape
That’s reductio ad absurdum
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You asked:
What if the builder who put the extension onto your house was found guilty of historic rape
That’s reductio ad absurdum
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Khandro
When you quoted from the New York Times (about the women in question being models), you seemed to have missed this bit:
//“And on Tuesday, HuffPost published similar accounts from women, including one who described stripping in front of Mr. Close. HuffPost reported he then moved toward her in his wheelchair “so that his head was inches away from her vagina,” and said it “looks delicious.”
In an interview on Wednesday, Mr. Close, 77, denied making this comment but acknowledged that he has spoken to women candidly and even crudely about their body parts.
He said he did so in the interests of evaluating them as possible subjects, and he said he apologized if he had made women feel uncomfortable.”//
He sounds...wonderful.
When you quoted from the New York Times (about the women in question being models), you seemed to have missed this bit:
//“And on Tuesday, HuffPost published similar accounts from women, including one who described stripping in front of Mr. Close. HuffPost reported he then moved toward her in his wheelchair “so that his head was inches away from her vagina,” and said it “looks delicious.”
In an interview on Wednesday, Mr. Close, 77, denied making this comment but acknowledged that he has spoken to women candidly and even crudely about their body parts.
He said he did so in the interests of evaluating them as possible subjects, and he said he apologized if he had made women feel uncomfortable.”//
He sounds...wonderful.
In answer to the question, ‘Is it getting out of control?’ I’d say no. What seems to be sadly true is that there are a number of men who are happy to treat women in a way that if their wives or daughters were treated, would prompt a fight.
But hey...let’s just downplay it eh. Why should we expose these kinds of men, when they’re more than capable of exposing themselves...usually in hotel rooms, with unwilling participants.
But hey...let’s just downplay it eh. Why should we expose these kinds of men, when they’re more than capable of exposing themselves...usually in hotel rooms, with unwilling participants.
Khandro has raised an interesting point though.
What do we do with art which has been produced by someone who fails society’s standards?
I’ll try to keep this brief, because I’ve been in this situation, and it feels...tricky.
Last year, I was asked to put together a playlist of 1970s glam rock songs to load onto my iPhone for a 70s themed party.
As I started searching iTunes for tracks, I suddenly thought, “What about Gary Glitter?”
He absolutely should be included in any playlist that covers the early 70 glam movement, but I just couldn’t do it. It felt wrong.
...but at exactly the same time - it felt wrong to exclude his songs, because once a piece of art is produced, surely it exists independently of who created it.
In the end, I didn’t include any Gary Glitter tracks.
I think a lot of people would think twice, like I did.
What do we do with art which has been produced by someone who fails society’s standards?
I’ll try to keep this brief, because I’ve been in this situation, and it feels...tricky.
Last year, I was asked to put together a playlist of 1970s glam rock songs to load onto my iPhone for a 70s themed party.
As I started searching iTunes for tracks, I suddenly thought, “What about Gary Glitter?”
He absolutely should be included in any playlist that covers the early 70 glam movement, but I just couldn’t do it. It felt wrong.
...but at exactly the same time - it felt wrong to exclude his songs, because once a piece of art is produced, surely it exists independently of who created it.
In the end, I didn’t include any Gary Glitter tracks.
I think a lot of people would think twice, like I did.
// I now have a movie playing in my head where the alleged guilty party pursues fit young things in his electric chasin' //
er Who framed Roger Rabbit has a cartoon bottom slapping baby ? - the baby smokes a cigar ....
and - some like it hot
two er trangenders ( Geraldine and Daphne ) stare at Marilyn Monroes behind as she sashays down the platform. and a trombone plays a - wa-wawa- wa- wa-er !
ina disgustingly suggestive fashion
er Who framed Roger Rabbit has a cartoon bottom slapping baby ? - the baby smokes a cigar ....
and - some like it hot
two er trangenders ( Geraldine and Daphne ) stare at Marilyn Monroes behind as she sashays down the platform. and a trombone plays a - wa-wawa- wa- wa-er !
ina disgustingly suggestive fashion
It is a tightrope and of course we can't erase the past nor should we - many artists through history have had dreadful reputations yet produced works of excellence.
What we can do is strive to move forward in a sensible way, this does not mean having no banter or cheeky fun at the right time - but knowing when is the right time and place and how far to push it with someone you don't know well.
Yes we'll make mistakes along the way, we've all had foot in mouth moments but we learn as we go.
What we can do is strive to move forward in a sensible way, this does not mean having no banter or cheeky fun at the right time - but knowing when is the right time and place and how far to push it with someone you don't know well.
Yes we'll make mistakes along the way, we've all had foot in mouth moments but we learn as we go.
Khandro - // Whilst Titian was mixing rose madder,
His model was perched up a ladder,
Her position said Titian,
calls for some cohesion,
So he nipped up the ladder and 'ad 'er //
This entire subject is just one big joke to you isn't it?
Models should either act as prostitutes, and see abuse and intimidation as simply part of what they paid for, or they should laugh it off because it's really not that serious.
I think your continued dodging of my point, and your callous 'humour' says a lot about your attitudes to women.
I do hope if there is a Mrs Khandro, you regard her in higher esteem than you do the models caught up in this situation.
His model was perched up a ladder,
Her position said Titian,
calls for some cohesion,
So he nipped up the ladder and 'ad 'er //
This entire subject is just one big joke to you isn't it?
Models should either act as prostitutes, and see abuse and intimidation as simply part of what they paid for, or they should laugh it off because it's really not that serious.
I think your continued dodging of my point, and your callous 'humour' says a lot about your attitudes to women.
I do hope if there is a Mrs Khandro, you regard her in higher esteem than you do the models caught up in this situation.
sp1814 - // As I started searching iTunes for tracks, I suddenly thought, “What about Gary Glitter?”
He absolutely should be included in any playlist that covers the early 70 glam movement, but I just couldn’t do it. It felt wrong.
...but at exactly the same time - it felt wrong to exclude his songs, because once a piece of art is produced, surely it exists independently of who created it.
In the end, I didn’t include any Gary Glitter tracks.
I think a lot of people would think twice, like I did. //
I entirely agree with your point - I do believe that the artist should be separate from the art.
As a DJ, I am prevented from playing Gary Glitter records, and I am preparing cruise ship speeches, one of which is going to cover Glam Rock, and I am already planning to omit Gary Glitter, even though to me he is the very personification of the style.
He absolutely should be included in any playlist that covers the early 70 glam movement, but I just couldn’t do it. It felt wrong.
...but at exactly the same time - it felt wrong to exclude his songs, because once a piece of art is produced, surely it exists independently of who created it.
In the end, I didn’t include any Gary Glitter tracks.
I think a lot of people would think twice, like I did. //
I entirely agree with your point - I do believe that the artist should be separate from the art.
As a DJ, I am prevented from playing Gary Glitter records, and I am preparing cruise ship speeches, one of which is going to cover Glam Rock, and I am already planning to omit Gary Glitter, even though to me he is the very personification of the style.
"Models should either act as prostitutes, and see abuse and intimidation as simply part of what they paid for, or they should laugh it off because it's really not that serious."
That should read 'what they are paid for ...'
for the benefit of anyone except Khandro, who i am sure will ignore this post, as he has the others.
That should read 'what they are paid for ...'
for the benefit of anyone except Khandro, who i am sure will ignore this post, as he has the others.
sp //HuffPost published similar accounts from women, including one who described stripping in front of Mr. Close. HuffPost reported he then moved toward her in his wheelchair “so that his head was inches away from her vagina,”//
n.b. She actually "stripped in front of him" - none of the models I have ever used do that, or have been asked to do so.
It's absolute shock horror, (and he wasn't even a gynaecologist on his lunch break).
Also that particular configuration of vaginas and heads takes place every day thousands of times on the crowded London underground.
n.b. She actually "stripped in front of him" - none of the models I have ever used do that, or have been asked to do so.
It's absolute shock horror, (and he wasn't even a gynaecologist on his lunch break).
Also that particular configuration of vaginas and heads takes place every day thousands of times on the crowded London underground.
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