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Khandro | 17:45 Fri 23rd Mar 2018 | News
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If so, please read this and learn why Britain needs to escape from the stinking quagmire of the EU establishment;
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/a-very-eu-coup-martin-selmayrs-astonishing-power-grab/
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I began to pick out a few phrases for demonstration. But gave up in the end as just about the entire article sums up quite succinctly the morass and anti-democratic cess pit that the EU is. But it doesn't matter what you say or what proof you provide. There are those who believe that the UK cannot survive unless it subscribes to this corrupt organisation whose...
18:05 Fri 23rd Mar 2018
Do our MP's offer bribes in order to gain the throne ?
Hardly comparable then.
Try this one then:

Can we vote for our own MP’s?
Can we vote for who runs the European Union?

“You’re all delusional.”
Whereas you’re sooo clued up and knowledgeable!
‘Old_Geezer: Do our MP's offer bribes in order to gain the throne’

Never heard of cash for honours?
Big bad. If you think that being able to choose a corrupt and self centred MP to speak on our behalf makes it better, then you have my sympathies.
BTW, I know not all MPs are that way inclined. But the expenses scandle does rather cast a cloud over the vast majority.
And if you would rather be governed by unelected, megalomaniacal Eurocrats, then you have mine.
^Mine too.
Honours are hardly the same as control.
well I never had any doubts anyway. Still the remoaners are a bit quiet except ZM trying to turn it into an anti british thread, he likes a challenge!
I think the crux of the issue is, Zacs, that you are perfectly content to be ruled by a bunch of unelected foreigners, most of whom you have never heard of and who you have no opportunity to select or dismiss rather than elected MPs about whom you can do a bit of research before casting your vote and who have to stand for re-election every five years.

Nobody is suggesting that all UK MPs are whiter than white. But the EU as an institution falls well short of purity and many of its unelected officers have dubious backgrounds. Add to that the democratic deficit from which it suffers (which I think you will find it difficult to dismiss) and you can understand why people no longer want their country's sovereignty signed away to such a body.

Effectively what you are saying is that I know they are all a bunch of shysters but I prefer the unelected foreign bunch to those I can vote in and out.
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NJ. Well put, I haven't got the energy to waste time on people playing games of devil's advocate. I've looked on other threads, current and former, and this poster makes a point of simply being argumentative for it's own sake, as a default position whatever the subject.
There must be a reason for this, but I'm not a psychiatrist.
No he doesn't.
I had found out about Selmayrs coup more-or-less when it happened, Khandro. I've never had the slightest regret about voting to leave the EU, if anything I am more desperate than ever to get out as fast as possible and angry at this transition agreement.

On the subject of our M.P.s. I am now in regular email correspondence with mine and he knows how I feel. He campaigned for Leave, but is now trying to defend the deal on fishing and is avoiding answering my points on the 'backstop' position. Another long email beckons, methinks. :)

The point is that at least I can argue with him and try to influence him and, through him, the Government. (He's a Tory.) Wonder how long a letter addressed to a beaurocrat in the EU would take to arrive and be binned as irrelevant!
If it's email Jourdain about .05 seconds to go in the spam box.
No doubts....should have happened yonks ago or never entered IMO. NJ sums up my thoughts as per usual.... Pity more people don't rationalise things like this gentleman. Dump Europe and the filth that runs it....spend OUR cash here...... Not on them!
We have the arch-traitor Heath to thank for landing us in this whole sorry mess. He must go down as the worst PM in living memory.
cassa - I get paper letters on House of Commons stationery, ending 'best wishes'.... I'm expecting him to drop by for tea any time now! :0) I just go very, very nicely (but make my point).
No Jourdain I meant an email you sent to any EU official you wrote to to complain would be dumped in the spam box.
I gathered that, cassa, about a millisecond after I hit 'Enter'. Sorry. :(
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