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spath: "At 13 did you really think, right TTT, lets work hard now, get three jobs, and i can get a house, or were you made to by others? " - not directly but it installed the work ethic in me, when I was always able to buy everything for myself, often by saving, I felt I was getting along, that attitude has never left me. My parents were potless most of the time anyway. My jobs at 13 were paper round, butchers Saturday and some after school and Chinese chip shop some nights. This is not about availability of jobs it's about personal endeavour and I think it is sadly lacking in many of today's young, who, like you, prefer to bleat and want it all on a plate. Life is not fair but you can help to level the playing field with effort. The world loves a trier and hates a whiner, try being the former eh?