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Theresa May: We Risk Ending Up With No Brexit At All
//The prime minister has issued a stark warning to MPs that failure to back her plan for Brexit would risk the UK not leaving the EU at all.//
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-back-my-chequers-plan-or-brexit-wont-happen-11437460
A stark warning? One could be forgiven for thinking she’s worried about flouting the democratic will of the people. Nigel Farage, speaking on ‘The Wright Stuff’ a couple of days ago, said that delaying tactics could be employed until the eleventh hour when Article 50 would be suspended. Is the real end plan coming to fruition? I think so.
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A stark warning? One could be forgiven for thinking she’s worried about flouting the democratic will of the people. Nigel Farage, speaking on ‘The Wright Stuff’ a couple of days ago, said that delaying tactics could be employed until the eleventh hour when Article 50 would be suspended. Is the real end plan coming to fruition? I think so.
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.//Without protest the uturns I suggested earlier would not have happened.//
How, exactly, do you know this? This is an opinion, not a fact.
Even if it were true, though, it makes no sense to assert (as people did earlier) that Remain voters are somehow responsible for the current mess. 48% of the electorate did so, and only a tiny fraction would ever dream of protesting.
Instead of blaming your fellow citizens for everything (who, by the way, want the best for the UK just as much as you do), I suggest you direct your anger towards the leaders of the leave campaign who sold you a turkey, and maybe towards the leading Brexiters who have done zilch to impliment your cause. It is not on the 48% of people who voted Remain, as people keep suggesting.
How, exactly, do you know this? This is an opinion, not a fact.
Even if it were true, though, it makes no sense to assert (as people did earlier) that Remain voters are somehow responsible for the current mess. 48% of the electorate did so, and only a tiny fraction would ever dream of protesting.
Instead of blaming your fellow citizens for everything (who, by the way, want the best for the UK just as much as you do), I suggest you direct your anger towards the leaders of the leave campaign who sold you a turkey, and maybe towards the leading Brexiters who have done zilch to impliment your cause. It is not on the 48% of people who voted Remain, as people keep suggesting.
Yes we were, hereiam, I remember that time. My point really was that by now I would have hoped that Mrs May et al (remainer cabal) would have twigged that all threats and bullying achieves is to stiffen the sinews of the British and make them stick out their chins belligerently. Can't even learn from History as recent as the referendum -pathetic. UKIP has polled a big resurgence, May is down, Tories are down
I've written to my MP and urged others to do the same. I don't take kindly to threats.
I've written to my MP and urged others to do the same. I don't take kindly to threats.
Don't suppose any of you have read the article in The Times mag today. Shame.
//For Falconer, whatever happens politically, it is still game on. He is a true believer, the kind of man who can change minds and, he hopes, bend the arc of history in Britain’s favour. After an inevitable “period of adjustment, both psychologically and economically” post-Brexit, Britain’s fortunes will get much better — fast, he insists. “I understand that there are other things distracting people. But keep your eye on the endgame. The opportunities are enormous. There are so many, where do I start? In 10 years, maybe even quicker, people will look back and say, ‘Oh, why were we so negative about our future?’ ”
What makes him so certain the future is bright? “The world is the UK’s oyster,” Falconer says. “We produce the best professional services in the world. Our banks are the best in the world. Our insurance companies are the most reliable. Our architects, our designers, our artists, our lawyers, our accountants — they’re world class. We have intellectual property rights to die for. It is these services that the fastest-growing economies in Asia and Africa crave. The world is begging for the UK to be able to trade with it. It’s not because of something we’re going to take from people. It’s because our world-class services are what other countries need to become more efficient themselves. We’ll be pushing on an open door.”
And there’s quite a queue building on the other side. “The countries that the EU has had agreements with are more than happy to have those agreements with us in our own right, once we’ve left. Countries like Australia and New Zealand, which haven’t yet, but are about to start negotiations with the EU, are also clamouring to start with us. Countries that are failing to achieve negotiations with the EU, like the United States, are committed to negotiation with us.”
It is not only the service industries — Britain’s strongest economic suit, which accounts for 80% of UK GDP and 85% of our workforce — where we have a chance to prosper. Falconer sees vast opportunities in goods, too. Whether it’s cars or aircraft wings, the world loves what we produce and is prepared to pay a premium. He singles out one product that many might find surprising: protein. “The world is crying out for protein and safe food, generally. In east Asia, that’s what they want. They don’t trust their domestic production, with good reason.” Lax food safety standards have been blamed for hundreds of deaths and widespread food-poisoning scandals in recent years, mainly in China. “The UK has huge strengths here. It makes world-class produce. High-quality, safe food and beverages. We can now negotiate with countries in a way that’s specifically tailored to getting our salmon and our venison on tables.” Or now our beef. A ban on British beef imports to China, imposed after the outbreak of BSE 20 years ago, has just been lifted, creating a £2bn market.
Where could we do better? “The EU is still hanging on to a 19th-, even an 18th-century agricultural model. There are large swathes in the economy where the sort of agricultural protectionism that the EU has doesn’t need to apply.” Falconer cites citrus fruits that Britain has to source from southern Europe to protect farmers in Italy and Spain. Freed from this restriction, he says, we could cut deals with emerging markets to take more of their fruit and veg in return for, say, greater access to their financial and insurance markets.
Fox, for instance, thinks India could be a good place to start. It currently accounts for about 1.6% of all insurance premiums and 2.2% of life insurance premiums, even though it is home to 18% of the world’s population.//
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/magazine/the-sunday-times-magazine/the-bright-side-of-brexit-exclusive-interviews-with-the-department-for-international-trades-top-negotiators-5d7z3rczl
//For Falconer, whatever happens politically, it is still game on. He is a true believer, the kind of man who can change minds and, he hopes, bend the arc of history in Britain’s favour. After an inevitable “period of adjustment, both psychologically and economically” post-Brexit, Britain’s fortunes will get much better — fast, he insists. “I understand that there are other things distracting people. But keep your eye on the endgame. The opportunities are enormous. There are so many, where do I start? In 10 years, maybe even quicker, people will look back and say, ‘Oh, why were we so negative about our future?’ ”
What makes him so certain the future is bright? “The world is the UK’s oyster,” Falconer says. “We produce the best professional services in the world. Our banks are the best in the world. Our insurance companies are the most reliable. Our architects, our designers, our artists, our lawyers, our accountants — they’re world class. We have intellectual property rights to die for. It is these services that the fastest-growing economies in Asia and Africa crave. The world is begging for the UK to be able to trade with it. It’s not because of something we’re going to take from people. It’s because our world-class services are what other countries need to become more efficient themselves. We’ll be pushing on an open door.”
And there’s quite a queue building on the other side. “The countries that the EU has had agreements with are more than happy to have those agreements with us in our own right, once we’ve left. Countries like Australia and New Zealand, which haven’t yet, but are about to start negotiations with the EU, are also clamouring to start with us. Countries that are failing to achieve negotiations with the EU, like the United States, are committed to negotiation with us.”
It is not only the service industries — Britain’s strongest economic suit, which accounts for 80% of UK GDP and 85% of our workforce — where we have a chance to prosper. Falconer sees vast opportunities in goods, too. Whether it’s cars or aircraft wings, the world loves what we produce and is prepared to pay a premium. He singles out one product that many might find surprising: protein. “The world is crying out for protein and safe food, generally. In east Asia, that’s what they want. They don’t trust their domestic production, with good reason.” Lax food safety standards have been blamed for hundreds of deaths and widespread food-poisoning scandals in recent years, mainly in China. “The UK has huge strengths here. It makes world-class produce. High-quality, safe food and beverages. We can now negotiate with countries in a way that’s specifically tailored to getting our salmon and our venison on tables.” Or now our beef. A ban on British beef imports to China, imposed after the outbreak of BSE 20 years ago, has just been lifted, creating a £2bn market.
Where could we do better? “The EU is still hanging on to a 19th-, even an 18th-century agricultural model. There are large swathes in the economy where the sort of agricultural protectionism that the EU has doesn’t need to apply.” Falconer cites citrus fruits that Britain has to source from southern Europe to protect farmers in Italy and Spain. Freed from this restriction, he says, we could cut deals with emerging markets to take more of their fruit and veg in return for, say, greater access to their financial and insurance markets.
Fox, for instance, thinks India could be a good place to start. It currently accounts for about 1.6% of all insurance premiums and 2.2% of life insurance premiums, even though it is home to 18% of the world’s population.//
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hereIam "Weren't we doing ok before we JOINED the dreaded EU?"
The UK joined the predecessor to the EU, if you "remember that time" (jourdain2). You will then also remember that the UK was racked by strikes, there was rationing of electricity, work was limited to standard hours for three days a week, the pound crashed - there used to be a Sterling Zone which meant several countries pegged their currencies to and held their reserves in the Pound Sterling. The Pound became such a loss inducing liability that they pulled out and the Zone passed into history, just another measure of failure. If your memory has blocked that out then the history of it is only too easy to locate through the internet.
Presumably you and jourdain2 are hoping to return to those heady days. Personally, I too hope you reach your Nirvana except I am additionally hoping for something else and much better coming out of it, an end to the UK's embarrassing agony. Hard Brexit would serve my hopes best but on the diametrically opposite premise to that held by the most starry eyed brexiteers. It is a gamble as neither side knows for certain how things are going to end up.
The UK joined the predecessor to the EU, if you "remember that time" (jourdain2). You will then also remember that the UK was racked by strikes, there was rationing of electricity, work was limited to standard hours for three days a week, the pound crashed - there used to be a Sterling Zone which meant several countries pegged their currencies to and held their reserves in the Pound Sterling. The Pound became such a loss inducing liability that they pulled out and the Zone passed into history, just another measure of failure. If your memory has blocked that out then the history of it is only too easy to locate through the internet.
Presumably you and jourdain2 are hoping to return to those heady days. Personally, I too hope you reach your Nirvana except I am additionally hoping for something else and much better coming out of it, an end to the UK's embarrassing agony. Hard Brexit would serve my hopes best but on the diametrically opposite premise to that held by the most starry eyed brexiteers. It is a gamble as neither side knows for certain how things are going to end up.
Togo, OECD, WHO, etc. - biased nincompoops one and all...... Just keep your eyes closed and your visceral hatred boiling and you can continue hoping. History is not so forgiving though.
One thing I grant you, the "zillions" (a trickle compared to elsewhere) are as misguided as those knocking on the doors of the "land of the free". Still, both groups eventually meet reality.
One thing I grant you, the "zillions" (a trickle compared to elsewhere) are as misguided as those knocking on the doors of the "land of the free". Still, both groups eventually meet reality.
Haha found the button red there then. Probably making a living working for the World Health Organisation or the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development then. Meehh. Quangos filled to the brim with globalists and the craven. My eyes are wide open and that is what freaks the sophist creeps out. Feel free to simmer and glimmer.
The UK used to have an Empire to trade with, but World War II bankrupted us and we had to let it go. So we needed new trading partners, nearer to home. Fortunately the EEC was on our doorstep. Unfortunately they wouldn’t let us join at first, much to our annoyance.
Then the EEC finally relented, and the Conservatives joined us up without asking the people.
Then the EEC finally relented, and the Conservatives joined us up without asking the people.
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