May Says It Won't Be A Better Deal

[emmie]

if she goes, who would take her place at this late stage, and if the deal doesn't get through Parliament what happens next.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46250607

[emmie]

there aren't enough MP's currently to hold a Vof NC
and people like Boris appear to have shuffled off to lick his wounds. Maybe he will make an appearance but this smacks of desperation.

[jim360]

Wake up to what, Khandro? I already told AB that I thought this was a rotten deal, by both the standards of Leavers and Remainers.

[Kromovaracun]

And how competent was David Davis really? He was woefully underprepared for his job and scarcely seemed to do anything.

[jim360]

Also, cassa, yes, I saw your post, but it smacks of an excuse, and a refusal to take responsibility. Davis, Raab, Fox, Gove, Johnson, Leadsom: all are busy blaming everyone but themselves. But this was their idea, and their initiative, and their responsibility to carry out. It's not Theresa May's fault that none chose to challenge her, and take ownership of Brexit.

[ichkeria]

A “no deal” will not get through Parliament. I suspect only a handful of MPs would support that.

[dannyk13]

Ich the vote is on whether to accept the deal.If they vote it out then you are left with no deal.

[KARL]

My personal hope has always been for a quick and unequivocal no deal exit for the simple reason that it would be so utterly clear cut and then the usual British fudge would be ruled out. The consequences of Brexit (good and bad) would automatically be due to Brexit alone and not subject to the usual waffle and pointing of fingers in all directions. Now I am learning that Brexit is the fault of those who voted against it. The UK is definitely special after all.

[naomi24]

Karl, //Now I am learning that Brexit is the fault of those who voted against it.//

Whoever told you that was fibbing - or maybe you misheard. The mess that Brexit has become is the fault of those who voted against it. Keeping one foot in the door was never on the Leavers' agenda.

[Kromovaracun]

//The mess that Brexit has become is the fault of those who voted against it. //

How?

[emmie]

by constantly carping and making mischief. The leavers won with a majority, a slim one, but democracy has its place in our constitution. I for one am a leaver and with No deal on the cards, or possibly, then so be it.
we will pick ourselves up off the floor if we have to, dust ourselves off and if necessary start all over again.

if the SNP, ROI, NI don't like this deal what happens next?

[Kromovaracun]

//by constantly carping and making mischief//

This sounds very much like "criticising Brexit."

Well, guilty as charged...

[naomi24]

Krom, quite simply because they plan a deal to enable this country to keep one foot in the door. A deal wasn’t what leavers voted for. They voted to
Leave.

[emmie]

Krom yes indeed.

[emmie]

could May copy Ted Heath's tactics and if so does that mean it's likely this deal will go ahead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46254257

[dannyk13]

Emmie, the only thing that we can do is wait and see the result of the vote in parliament.

[Kromovaracun]

Perhaps you did vote for a hard brexit. But you're not everyone. Plenty of people I know (including the Vote Leave organiser in my area at the time) voted to leave hoping for a Norway deal. Prominent supporters of Leaving like Peter Hitchens also argue for an EEA Brexit. So did Christopher Booker and plenty others.

The simple fact is that lots of people voted Leave with lots of different expectations. There were two main Leave campaigns that made contradictory and constantly-changing promises about what leaving would mean, and because the referendum was a simple binary they could campaign on completely different tickets to achieve the same result. It doesn't give me any pleasure to say this (as it's true for plenty of my immediate family too), but you've been conned.

[youngmafbog]

"The simple fact is that lots of people voted Leave with lots of different expectations."

So what is the simple fact on what those who voted to remain then? What did you think you were voting for, a federal United states of Europe with an EU army Frankfurt as the financial centre, to be ruled by the Germans?

As far as I can remember none of this was made clear - probably mainly because no one knows and it is in the hands of unelected European bureaucrats (And Obergruppenführer Mekle) anyway.

[dannyk13]

Kromo,most people who voted to leave did so in the hope that we would do just that leave

[Kromovaracun]

People who voted Remain were quite obviously voting not to change the status quo at the time. It was never obvious what a vote for Leave was for - there were multiple campaigns making multiple, contradictory promises.

[dannyk13]

For what ever reason each individual had they all voted to leave the EU without any conditions being imposed.We should have just said we are leaving and left.