Is This Just Scaremongering

[emmie]

or does he have a point

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309

[IJKLM]

Naomi

I don;t know wjat sources you read; I don;t know how you arrive at the conslusion that the mess is all the fault of the remainers.

That is counter-intuitive. The leavers have had every opportunirty to get the better deal they promised you, but they have run away.

You have been abandoned by your cheer-leaders.

And we are all suffering from their personal ambition that is in the process of destroying our mutual future.

[kvalidir]

Well according to you we are leaving- and just look how :/

[naomi24]

IJKLM, //I don;t know wjat sources you read; I don;t know how you arrive at the conslusion that the mess is all the fault of the remainers. //

I arrive at that conclusion because Remainers, starting with Gina Miller, have consistently done their utmost to put spanners in the works – and with a Remainer leading the charge what hope for democracy? Quite shamefully, none.

I don’t disagree with the rest of your post.

kvalidir. // Well according to you we are leaving- and just look how :/ //

I’ve not said we're leaving – because we very clearly are not. That should please you. No?

Don’t expect any more responses from me tonight. Bed beckons. Night all.

[tonyav]

The way I see it now is a good deal is no deal.

[EDDIE51]

Yes, a very valid point. Even with a deal we will be a lot worse off. With no deal we are back in the 'dark ages'.

[jim360]

We aren't pleased, Naomi -- because even if, as you say, we aren't leaving, the thing is that we aren't staying in either. Remainers wanted to keep a seat at the table. We have abandoned that seat, and with it that voice in the EU to play our part in shaping it. That's a big loss -- no-one on the Remain side, therefore, can be happy with this outcome. It's not as bad as leaving entirely, but is many times worse than staying in properly.

Gina Miller's contribution, meanwhile, was merely to point out that the UK constitution forbade unilateral notification of Article 50. What spanner in the works did this seriously put in? If anything, it should have thrown Brexiteers a lifeline, because it could have given them the time they needed to properly plan for leaving. Instead, they were so busy screaming "enemies of the people!" and rushing for the door that they forgot about the need to prepare. So did Theresa May, of course, but she was egged on rather at the time, wasn't she? And not by Remainers, either...

[IJKLM]

Naomi

You are at liberty to disagree, but the facts remain: The leavers had the chance to get a better deal; they ran away from that opportunity.

As for Gina Miller, she tried - and largely succeded – in bringing the power of the House of Commons to the fore. Is that not what all of us want - sovereignty of the Westminster Parliament?

Or are you so confused about sovereignty that you want it only when it beings the result that you want?

It's only 8am here in Shanghai, but I have a busy day ahead, however, I'm not sure I'll be on here much more today or tomorrow.

[tonyav]

With no deal we are back in the 'dark ages'.

When was that then, 6th, 7th or 8th century ?.

[kvalidir]

This is like drawing teeth.
By some fluke of ego, copious amounts of drugs, too much gin or just bitter irony it seems Brexiteers, the authors of this country's woes with their nieve voting, are now seeking to blame Remainers for the fact that they got the politicians they deserved to behave the way we always knew they would and thus stuffed up the outcome they voted for ( which we never wanted in the first place).
You genuinely could not make this up.
I'm going to go and ruin some food again, so I won't be around to reply either. x

[IJKLM]

^naïve^ ?

[Davemano]

The leavers were prevented getting a better deal because every time they discussed their plans with May, she agreed with them and then changed her mind after consulting her Civil Servant. This was one reason why Davis resigned that he was wasting his time.

[gulliver1]

Be glad next March, when it is all over and done with ,at last it will be the end of Brexit, and we can all get on with the rest of our lives, and live happily ever after as members of the EU,

[emmie]

or not as the case may be ^^

[Kromovaracun]

I'm sad to say that people blaming Remainers for this mess have been conned. They were made impossible promises about our future by sharks in suits on the Leave side and have now been hung out to dry.

[Kromovaracun]

Gulliver

Regardless of what happens I think we're going to be talking about Brexit in some form or another for a very long while yet...

[emmie]

well the world didn't stop turning when the Brexit vote was announced. And especially in London we are economically buoyant.

[Kromovaracun]

Well yes. We haven't left yet.

[gulliver1]

08.03 "I'm sad to say that people blaming Remainers for this mess have been conned" But the leavers were conned by Boris, Farage , old uncle Tom Cobley and all at the start.

[emmie]

no we weren't.

[jim360]

Even that heroine of Brexiteers on this site, Andrea Leadsom, has just come out in support of this deal. The list of people you could feasibly have turned to in hopes of getting something better just shrunk again.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1051877/Brexit-news-theresa-may-withdrawal-deal-leave-EU-andrea-leadsom