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Isn't This Just Wasting Time And Effort
surely the EU have told us what their plans are and it doesn't
include any more concessions. So what is Mrs May doing there.
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include any more concessions. So what is Mrs May doing there.
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“No the DUP seem to all intents and purposes wanting to kick this into the long grass.” They are not the only ones, emmie. The agreement effectively splits the United Kingdom down the Irish Sea, Traders in Great Britain will have to make customs declarations to send goods to Northern Ireland because NI will be treated as part of the EU’s customs union...
14:16 Tue 11th Dec 2018
A few minutes ago:
Brexit deal latest news: Theresa May's hopes dashed as Angela Merkel rules out re-negotiation
Juncker: 'No room whatsover for renegotiation'
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Brexit deal latest news: Theresa May's hopes dashed as Angela Merkel rules out re-negotiation
Juncker: 'No room whatsover for renegotiation'
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"It's still only delivering a no deal exit that holds any honour going forward."
Indeed it is, OG, and the option that should have been pursued from the outset (to concentrate the minds of our European "partners"). However it will not be countenanced by our Lords and Masters here in the UK. Thus we're left with the only "deal" that is on the table which effectively splits the country in two (which, quite frankly, the PM should not even have brought back, let alone put to Parliament) or no Brexit at all. A monumental failure (or possibly success, depending which side of the argument you are on) but also an extreme example of political deceit and dishonesty.
Indeed it is, OG, and the option that should have been pursued from the outset (to concentrate the minds of our European "partners"). However it will not be countenanced by our Lords and Masters here in the UK. Thus we're left with the only "deal" that is on the table which effectively splits the country in two (which, quite frankly, the PM should not even have brought back, let alone put to Parliament) or no Brexit at all. A monumental failure (or possibly success, depending which side of the argument you are on) but also an extreme example of political deceit and dishonesty.
"Sorry if I've missed it, but is there an EU view of 'No deal'?"
You haven't missed it. It's never been mentioned. But the (alleged) problems that will ensue for the EU will also follow for the EU. Neither side wants a "no deal" Brexit (though I and many others do) but No Deal is infinitely preferable to the current abomination that is, apparently, "the only deal possible".
You haven't missed it. It's never been mentioned. But the (alleged) problems that will ensue for the EU will also follow for the EU. Neither side wants a "no deal" Brexit (though I and many others do) but No Deal is infinitely preferable to the current abomination that is, apparently, "the only deal possible".
I think May is up to no good - I believe she will indeed come back with a "Chamberlain moment", but what it will be is anybody's guess.
My view is that it will be something to (try to) reverse the vote. And that is certainly playing with fire, but she just might get away with it (unlike Chamberlain whose triumph was short-lived).
The suspense is killing me.
My view is that it will be something to (try to) reverse the vote. And that is certainly playing with fire, but she just might get away with it (unlike Chamberlain whose triumph was short-lived).
The suspense is killing me.
it'll be like an encore after a concert. The band pretends it's not coming back on stage but they do. Similarly the EU will have worked ths out with the PM the other week. They both put on and act she goes back to them they giver her something, back she comes with the Chamberlain moment. Parliament are reassure they pass the deal with a small change that looks big and alleluia praise the mighty May! We are out with a terrible deal that tub kuffs us on prime time for the rest of our natural. All the remoaners say told you so and the brexiteers are duly punished for having the temerity to want their nation back.
There is no such thing as a hard Brexit, just Brexit and soft Brexit.
I don’t care if we ramain in the single market or customs union. But if we do we should not be accountable to the EU in any way. We should not accept EU laws. We should not pay vast sums of money to the EU. We should not be beholden to the ECJ. We should not accept free movement of people. We should be able to make our own trade deals around the world as we see fit.
If we can do all that within the single market and customs union I say OK. If not then we leave.
When we leave we get to talk like adults with a hard negotiator on our side getting the free trade deal we and the EU want.
I don’t care if we ramain in the single market or customs union. But if we do we should not be accountable to the EU in any way. We should not accept EU laws. We should not pay vast sums of money to the EU. We should not be beholden to the ECJ. We should not accept free movement of people. We should be able to make our own trade deals around the world as we see fit.
If we can do all that within the single market and customs union I say OK. If not then we leave.
When we leave we get to talk like adults with a hard negotiator on our side getting the free trade deal we and the EU want.
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