Tommy Robinson

[spathiphyllum]

Tommy Robinson has had his facebook and instagram account terminated. Facebook says he has continually violated its community standards with hate speech against Muslims.

Is you use social media in ways that violate their policies around organised hate then surely you're a bad person?

[Calicogirl]

I think I have been a 15 year old girl probably more recently than anyone else on this thread, and that's the reason I have zero sympathy for her tbh. At 15 I was plotting and conniving to get the man and lifestyle of my choice if the truth be known. I had my eyes firmly fixed on very lovely man who was a member of the local aristocracy and I enveigled my way into his social circle and made that happen.
He didn't. I did. Most 15 year old girls are running on hormones and selfishness and know exactly how to get what they want and make the things happen that they require, and that's why I have sod all sympathy with her.
The notion that a 15 year old doesn't know right from wrong or can in any way be 'radicalised' against their initial will is tbh completely ludicrous.

[spathiphyllum]

Calico that's because you weren't force fed Islamic propaganda from birth

Do you not remember how impressionable you were at 15?

[spathiphyllum]

"The notion that a 15 year old doesn't know right from wrong or can in any way be 'radicalised' against their initial will is tbh completely ludicrous."

That is just stupid. I'm sorry but really? Watch the men who stare at goats lol

[naomi24]

Spath, Islam is not simply a religion. It is a whole way of life. It is a political system too with political ambition and it is incumbent upon each and every Muslim to further the cause of Islam. Islam does not compare to the mindset of people in the free west – and for a Muslim, Islam (which means 'submission') is everything. That is what you fail to understand.

[spathiphyllum]

Project MKUltra

[douglas9401]

I'm staring at one, right now.

[spathiphyllum]

Naomi I get that i really do. But you need to get your head out of these grooming gangs and realise there is a wave of british muslims who go to school, integrate with society, don't follow or agree with sharia law and help contribute to our society by becoming surgeons, doctors, specialists in their fields.

There are two sides to this warped religion. The die hard committers and those who have integrated away from the religion.

[spathiphyllum]

They of course still carry it with them though because of their heritage, past and culture.

[naomi24]

spath, you're not listening but that's nothing new.

[spathiphyllum]

How so?

[Calicogirl]

I was not even slightly impressionable at 15, I just decided what I wanted and went out and got it, that's my point, which you seem really keen to ignore because it doesn't fit your own personal narrative. This girl isn't some Enid Blyton character who is a little girl all innocent and a victim somehow, she was a young woman who made a choice because that's what she wanted to do.

[spathiphyllum]

No it's actually because it fits your own personal narrative and i'm sure your life doesn't correlate with begums at all not even in one slight way.

[spathiphyllum]

Maybe you werent impressionable Calico i bet you never were but the majority of 15 year olds very much are so.

Why do you think Corbyn managed to get the masses of the youngsters to vote for him? Because they're the most impressionable audience. I get you can't vote at 15, but the younger you are the more impressionable.

[naomi24]

spath, //How so? //

Because you're consistently coming back with nonsensical arguments that fit only your preferred view. You're ignoring reality.

[Calicogirl]

None of the 15 year olds I know would be so stupid as to fall for the violent crock of *** that fundamental Islam is unless they were already deeply personally flawed- and for the record you know sod all about me or my family.

[spathiphyllum]

Yes.. because as i've implied.. none of the 15 year olds you knew were radicalised by muslim men from birth and force fed ISIS propaganda videos.

And who cares this, as i've said aint about you or your family.

To compare your life to that of shamima begum is stupid 'I wasn't impressionable so she couldn't have been' just doesn't float.

[spathiphyllum]

And i never implied i knew anything about you or your family so that off "sod" remark is really out of place in my opinion.

[Calicogirl]

No but you make sweeping statements Spath about people you have no knowledge of. If you want to see radicalisation, well prior to Islam, try growing up on the Falls Road like my father did in the 60's and 70's, witnessing internment, the normalisation of vast violence you or I couldn't even imagine and ingrained social dysfunction where the merest questioning of the status quo would be enough to see you arrested by one side, kidnapped and shot by another or disappeared by your own. Most people in the the North managed to not be radicalised by that, yet this Western living 15 year old girl, whose older siblings were miraculously not radicalised is somehow the victim in choosing to steal her sisters passport, leave the UK and go to marry someone fighting for Islamic state? Come on Spath, she wasn't a child.

[spathiphyllum]

I've done the opposite of give out sweeping statements. I've actually said how each Muslim has a unique perception and that we can't cast sweeping statements because they're all individual.

And no.. she technically was a child. 15 is technically a child that is a fact we can't even argue.

[Bigbad]

You are banging your head against a brick wall, Calicogirl.
Spathiphyllum would argue that black is actually white rather than admit he/she was wrong.

Quite possibly the most frustrating person on AB.