Tommy Robinson

[spathiphyllum]

Tommy Robinson has had his facebook and instagram account terminated. Facebook says he has continually violated its community standards with hate speech against Muslims.

Is you use social media in ways that violate their policies around organised hate then surely you're a bad person?

[spathiphyllum]

Did you know the UK does better than the US at successfully integrating Muslims?

[Bigbad]

15.42 Tuesday.

“Well she's a unique case of UK child trafficking and victimisation / radicalisation so lets not muddy the waters, ay”

What a pile of crap.
She was not trafficked, she was not victimised, and it’s glaringly obvious the often overused word “radicalisation” is just an excuse.

You really will do anything to excuse these people, won’t you, but are happy to criticise anyone who stands up against them.

Whilst I accept you have a different slant on things, please don’t try and justify your opinions by claiming something happened, when it didn’t.

[naomi24]

Spath, you're priceless.

[Calicogirl]

Of course there are.
2000 years ago Christianity was very different to now and it changed because of cultural, political and social influence, it's the same with Islam, Judaism and any other religion or group of any sort for that matter.
You can't stone people to death here for a start, so there are stonings in countries where there are more fundamental Muslims culturally or traditionally, but certainly it's never happened here, because it's illegal, so Muslims born in this country no longer see that first hand and it de-normalises it, so if you suddenly got a UK court saying 'Right we'll stone this woman because she's done something wrong' - as many Muslims as Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Agnostics or Atheists would be saying 'hang on a minute that's a bit much'.

[agchristie]

What a comparison Spath! That's a beaut! o:)

[spathiphyllum]

"She was not trafficked, she was not victimised, and it’s glaringly obvious the often overused word “radicalisation” is just an excuse. "

You're saying she wasn't flown out of the UK to be a jihadi bride at the childs age of 15?

You know you can't fly out of the UK boarder without a parent / guardian?

She was brain washed and trafficked.

"you really will do anything to excuse these people, won’t you, but are happy to criticise anyone who stands up against them. "

No i actually just think for myself, try it :D

You're obviously not aware of the Begum situation because, you wouldn't have said "What a pile of crap. ".

[spathiphyllum]

Thank you Calico good addition. You get where i'm coming from.

UK muslims don't see people thrown off buildings, beheaded, or stoned whilst falling to their death.

[agchristie]

'Brainwashed'?

Is that another fact? No,it's just an opinion.Entirely different.

[spathiphyllum]

Radicalisation / being brainwashed.. Pretty similar no??

Also Bigbad she was forced to watch ISIS propaganda in the UK if you don't think she was radicalised then i urge you to read more on the case.

[naomi24]

spath, //You know you can't fly out of the UK boarder without a parent / guardian? ....You're obviously not aware of the Begum situation //

No, spath, you're obviously unaware of the Begum situation. She used her older sister's passport. She was not 'radicalised'.

[Calicogirl]

Actually unaccompanied kids can fly alone they don't need a parent or guardian with them - just to address that point before someone else does and tbh I have little sympathy with Shamima Begum but with regards to most Muslims not being the same in the West as in say Saudi Arabia- that's a complete non brainer.

[agchristie]

Spath,it depends on which version of events you nail your colours to.

You say she was radicalised/brainwashed.You have no more certainty as to the truth than any of us.

[Bigbad]

9.24.

She wasn’t trafficked, she went of her own volition.

She wasn’t brain washed. She could have chosen not to believe the information she was being fed, and doubtless accessing voluntarily.

I do think for myself, unlike you who will state any old rubbish to try and back up your opinion.

I am well aware of the Begum situation, and unless you can prove she was trafficked against her will, then your trafficking and brainwashed assertions remain a pile of crap.

[spathiphyllum]

Calico it comes down to the airline but generally they need either a waiver form or a guardian over the age of 16

A 15 year old could not just leave the country without a parent or guardian doing something such as signing a waiver or what not.

And i understand the lack of sympathy, you don't need sympathy to understand she was 15 when she was victimised.

[spathiphyllum]

She wasn’t trafficked, she went of her own volition.

Can 15 year olds have their own volition?

[spathiphyllum]

"She was not 'radicalised'"

No, i really think you'll find that she was radicalised by ISIS propaganda.

[naomi24]

spath, she used her older sister's passport. She knew exactly what she was doing.

[spathiphyllum]

"I am well aware of the Begum situation, and unless you can prove she was trafficked against her will, then your trafficking and brainwashed assertions remain a pile of crap. "

Bro she was fifteen. Do you not get it?

[agchristie]

//Can 15 year olds have their own volition?//

Of course they can.

[Bigbad]

She plotted, she schemed, she lied, she stole, having formed her own opinion.
So, yes 15 year olds can quite easily do things of their own volition