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Second Referendum Question
'German comedian Henning Wehn made a number of surprisingly sensible points on Question Time on Thursday night, pointing out the utter futility of holding yet another referendum. He was a refreshing change from the usual ‘woke comedian’ bores, he said;
“If two years ago you felt that the country is run by unelected European Union bureaucrats, well I don’t know what would have changed your opinion on that one over the past two years!”'
An excellent point, would you not agree?
“If two years ago you felt that the country is run by unelected European Union bureaucrats, well I don’t know what would have changed your opinion on that one over the past two years!”'
An excellent point, would you not agree?
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here's a list but I doubt it'll penetrate:
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Tora, many thanks for at least giving it a go. At long last.
Written health warnings and images on tobacco products: I would have thought this was a good thing, no?
Lists of ingredients and warnings on food products. As above.
Bureaucracy at a bank (Difficulty opening a bank account): not really life changing is it?
Car booster seats for children: the absolute bashtards! How dare they!
Free trade: A bad thing?
Freedom, security and justice (makes it easier for the UK police to cooperate with other national police authorities): a positive, surely?
The European Parliament: I can only conclude this section must have been reasoned by someone who was a leave voter as there are scant few negatives, if any. Cheaper mobile roaming rates / stopping airlines from producing misleading adverts /limiting the working week.
EU Myths: this section basically supports my argument. Maybe you should have read it!
Written health warnings and images on tobacco products: I would have thought this was a good thing, no?
Lists of ingredients and warnings on food products. As above.
Bureaucracy at a bank (Difficulty opening a bank account): not really life changing is it?
Car booster seats for children: the absolute bashtards! How dare they!
Free trade: A bad thing?
Freedom, security and justice (makes it easier for the UK police to cooperate with other national police authorities): a positive, surely?
The European Parliament: I can only conclude this section must have been reasoned by someone who was a leave voter as there are scant few negatives, if any. Cheaper mobile roaming rates / stopping airlines from producing misleading adverts /limiting the working week.
EU Myths: this section basically supports my argument. Maybe you should have read it!
so now you criticise the list, I supplied what you asked, I was not offering any opinion of the validity of the contents.
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I’m not actually criticising the list if you read my points. They virtually, if not entirely, support my assertion that the influence of the EU is negligible and the vast majority of items cited are positives. If you wish to prove your claim that the EU are evil tyrannical overlords, your link does exactly the opposite.
A sentence in the Myths section actually reads ‘Whilst all Member States follow a lot of the same EU principles, the UK is still left to declare its own identity’
I don’t think you read it did you?
A sentence in the Myths section actually reads ‘Whilst all Member States follow a lot of the same EU principles, the UK is still left to declare its own identity’
I don’t think you read it did you?
You still make the mistake of judging the individual measures, Zacs.
I don't know how many times I can say this (and I think I'm almost on the point of giving up): the measures themselves are not the issue. I agree some are good, some are decidedly bad. But I don't want to get into a debate about their quality because that is not the issue.
So let me try (finally I promise) by asking you this: do you believe it is OK for measures such as those which have been pointed out (whether "good" or "bad", bearing in mind you have to accept both) to be imposed on the UK by unelected foreign civil servants? You know that I don't. If you do, just say so. I won't argue with you if you do because that is your privilege and it is exactly why the EU referendum was necessary. Then we can stop all this silly discussion about paint stripper and light bulbs.
I don't know how many times I can say this (and I think I'm almost on the point of giving up): the measures themselves are not the issue. I agree some are good, some are decidedly bad. But I don't want to get into a debate about their quality because that is not the issue.
So let me try (finally I promise) by asking you this: do you believe it is OK for measures such as those which have been pointed out (whether "good" or "bad", bearing in mind you have to accept both) to be imposed on the UK by unelected foreign civil servants? You know that I don't. If you do, just say so. I won't argue with you if you do because that is your privilege and it is exactly why the EU referendum was necessary. Then we can stop all this silly discussion about paint stripper and light bulbs.
I have posted evidence in the past. You say you can't provide evidence and yet NJ has done so here. And then use your failure as reason to claim I voted on a crazy unfounded fallacy. Your accusations are becoming simply abuse because you can not support your line of reasoning. I'm coming to the conclusion that, on this subject at least, you simply enjoy trolling.
NJ, it was yourself who was first to mention the paint stripper / lightbulbs stuff!
As for putting aside the good or bad points; that is completely missing the point. (By the way, no one has provided any bad points that I can see). Yes, I’m grateful for the EU cutting roaming charges / putting a cap on the working week / introducing legislation for child car seats. But.....these are all minor influences. They’re not worth the hassle that Brexit is causing / will continue to cause.
As a man of the law (in some undefined capacity), you’ll be aware that the vast majority of EU laws will, under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018, be incorporated into UK law anyway! So why leave voters claim this is why they voted as they did baffles me. You could argue our exit will end this ‘interference’ but as Tora’s link cites things I can only largely see as positives, I’m not convinced this is a good thing.
As for putting aside the good or bad points; that is completely missing the point. (By the way, no one has provided any bad points that I can see). Yes, I’m grateful for the EU cutting roaming charges / putting a cap on the working week / introducing legislation for child car seats. But.....these are all minor influences. They’re not worth the hassle that Brexit is causing / will continue to cause.
As a man of the law (in some undefined capacity), you’ll be aware that the vast majority of EU laws will, under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018, be incorporated into UK law anyway! So why leave voters claim this is why they voted as they did baffles me. You could argue our exit will end this ‘interference’ but as Tora’s link cites things I can only largely see as positives, I’m not convinced this is a good thing.
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I think you need to do a bit of research there, OG. It’s a bit more complex than reading down a list and going ‘keep’ / ‘reject’.
‘The government plans to copy over the vast majority of them word-for-word into UK law on 29 March, the day the UK leaves the European Union for good.
But some of these EU laws will need to be modified before being transferred across to prevent any "black holes" from appearing in the statute book - changes which are being made by statutory instruments.’
EU rules into UK law: How's that going? http://
‘The government plans to copy over the vast majority of them word-for-word into UK law on 29 March, the day the UK leaves the European Union for good.
But some of these EU laws will need to be modified before being transferred across to prevent any "black holes" from appearing in the statute book - changes which are being made by statutory instruments.’
EU rules into UK law: How's that going? http://
Zacs, This is my final attempt;
The EU is taking 8 Billion pounds of British taxpayer's money each year and spending it exactly how they wish to and we have no real say in how they do this. Traditional British waters are are being fished out by Spanish, French, and Dutch fishermen and Britain can not stop it. Britain is not allowed to make trade agreements on its own terms with other countries.
James Dyson has had to move his electric car research to the far East because he has been constantly been hampered by EU (not British) regulations
There are more examples, but would you not say that Britain is being run by foreign unelected politicians?
The EU is taking 8 Billion pounds of British taxpayer's money each year and spending it exactly how they wish to and we have no real say in how they do this. Traditional British waters are are being fished out by Spanish, French, and Dutch fishermen and Britain can not stop it. Britain is not allowed to make trade agreements on its own terms with other countries.
James Dyson has had to move his electric car research to the far East because he has been constantly been hampered by EU (not British) regulations
There are more examples, but would you not say that Britain is being run by foreign unelected politicians?
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