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Second Referendum Question
'German comedian Henning Wehn made a number of surprisingly sensible points on Question Time on Thursday night, pointing out the utter futility of holding yet another referendum. He was a refreshing change from the usual ‘woke comedian’ bores, he said;
“If two years ago you felt that the country is run by unelected European Union bureaucrats, well I don’t know what would have changed your opinion on that one over the past two years!”'
An excellent point, would you not agree?
“If two years ago you felt that the country is run by unelected European Union bureaucrats, well I don’t know what would have changed your opinion on that one over the past two years!”'
An excellent point, would you not agree?
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"But.....these are all minor influences. They’re not worth the hassle that Brexit is causing / will continue to cause."
You're still either deliberately, mischievously or unwittingly missing the point. I don't care which and however it is, it would help us understand your point if you answered the question I posed of you (since many respondents have had the courtesy to answer yours, even though you dismiss their answers as insignificant). Until then, I'm out.
You're still either deliberately, mischievously or unwittingly missing the point. I don't care which and however it is, it would help us understand your point if you answered the question I posed of you (since many respondents have had the courtesy to answer yours, even though you dismiss their answers as insignificant). Until then, I'm out.
"Now, if you’d be as accommodating. Can you provide any evidence that the EU run our country?"
No, I won't trouble, Zacs. I think there's been more than enough evidence of that.
Thanks for your answer. I always believed it thus and also believe that it is probably true for most Remainers. That being said, there is no need to debate the question further.
No, I won't trouble, Zacs. I think there's been more than enough evidence of that.
Thanks for your answer. I always believed it thus and also believe that it is probably true for most Remainers. That being said, there is no need to debate the question further.
"Fine. That’s marked a line in the sand for me and shown your true colours."
Nothing to do with "colours" Zacs. You've finally accepted (what must be true of many Remainers) that you don't mind the EU having the ability to impose laws on the UK (albeit so long as you consider them trivial). I don't want any outside body to have that ability (however trivial the measures may be), something I've made no secret of all along and something which is common to many Leavers.
It's a fundamental difference between Remainers and Leavers and is somewhat irresolvable. So there's no need to discuss vacuum cleaners or light bulbs.
Nothing to do with "colours" Zacs. You've finally accepted (what must be true of many Remainers) that you don't mind the EU having the ability to impose laws on the UK (albeit so long as you consider them trivial). I don't want any outside body to have that ability (however trivial the measures may be), something I've made no secret of all along and something which is common to many Leavers.
It's a fundamental difference between Remainers and Leavers and is somewhat irresolvable. So there's no need to discuss vacuum cleaners or light bulbs.
//you don't mind the EU having the ability to impose laws on the UK (albeit so long as you consider them trivial). I don't want any outside body to have that ability (however trivial the measures may be)//
"And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.
It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --
"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!"
"And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.
It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --
"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!"
No, I am bored and noticed that somebody else had posted a link to a sub-GCSE web page and felt left out.
I can't remember the justification last time, something along the lines of "I didn't say it was any good, you asked for a link so I posted one".
Like most members I am totally in favour of free speech, no matter how dull or pointless. Anyway, my 'phone call is due any minute so don't rush to respond. It will be daytime before I look again.
I can't remember the justification last time, something along the lines of "I didn't say it was any good, you asked for a link so I posted one".
Like most members I am totally in favour of free speech, no matter how dull or pointless. Anyway, my 'phone call is due any minute so don't rush to respond. It will be daytime before I look again.
The link to the website was a deliberate provocation, no apology for that. It has been a stressful few days, hopefully sorted now.
We now know that Boris Johnson was lying when he claimed that the EU was blocking safety measures such as lower windows on trucks, and that it was actually the UK government putting up barriers.
We know that the UK government put extra conditions on rules for package holidays. Alone in the EU, our B&B owners cannot book a taxi for guests, or theatre seats, restaurant meals or takeaways unless they have the same insurance as multinational travel firms, because offering any additional service makes them 'package holiday' operators.
We know that other restrictions, including selling toys throughout charity shops and using large farm equipment on wet ground, are UK government decisions, not EU rules.
I know that the EU prevents me doing some things that have been shown to be harmful to others but, in some cases, I don't understand why they make so many exceptions to allow destructive activities to continue. I can no longer buy incandescent light bulbs for my minuscule living space, for example, and am 'forced' to use more cost effective and energy efficient alternatives. Theatres, however, can still use incandescent bulbs despite their usage being equivalent to dozens (sorry, tens) of households.
Short of an incredibly detailed breakdown of EU and UK legislation, I suspect that whole "They said this but we said that" discussion is going nowhere, much like Gloria's van, but I don't spend my days fuming in frustration at the restrictions imposed by the EU.
We now know that Boris Johnson was lying when he claimed that the EU was blocking safety measures such as lower windows on trucks, and that it was actually the UK government putting up barriers.
We know that the UK government put extra conditions on rules for package holidays. Alone in the EU, our B&B owners cannot book a taxi for guests, or theatre seats, restaurant meals or takeaways unless they have the same insurance as multinational travel firms, because offering any additional service makes them 'package holiday' operators.
We know that other restrictions, including selling toys throughout charity shops and using large farm equipment on wet ground, are UK government decisions, not EU rules.
I know that the EU prevents me doing some things that have been shown to be harmful to others but, in some cases, I don't understand why they make so many exceptions to allow destructive activities to continue. I can no longer buy incandescent light bulbs for my minuscule living space, for example, and am 'forced' to use more cost effective and energy efficient alternatives. Theatres, however, can still use incandescent bulbs despite their usage being equivalent to dozens (sorry, tens) of households.
Short of an incredibly detailed breakdown of EU and UK legislation, I suspect that whole "They said this but we said that" discussion is going nowhere, much like Gloria's van, but I don't spend my days fuming in frustration at the restrictions imposed by the EU.
jf85; As a late arrival to the thread, you can be forgiven for not ploughing through all the posts, but you can at least see the PO, which isn't about EU regulations, (the thread was sabotaged in that direction by our resident troll).
My view is that Wehn was correct in saying that nothing has changed in the EU - certainly for the better - in the last 2 years.
The EU remains as it has been for a long time, an anti-Israel and anti- American organisation, with quite extraordinary binding agreements made with the Arab world, which are never openly discussed.
Remaining in the EU means that Britain is party to these arrangements, whether you agree with them or not.
My view is that Wehn was correct in saying that nothing has changed in the EU - certainly for the better - in the last 2 years.
The EU remains as it has been for a long time, an anti-Israel and anti- American organisation, with quite extraordinary binding agreements made with the Arab world, which are never openly discussed.
Remaining in the EU means that Britain is party to these arrangements, whether you agree with them or not.
Gulliver1. When they resort to playing silly games with your name (one who believes, like Gullible, that the brexiteers voted purely on immigration issues) - in my case Bigbrain or similar - you KNOW they’ve run out of grown-up arguments.
(PS - couldn’t agree more about it being an anti-immigrant vote. And the joke is that the type of Johnny Foreigners they’re againgst aren’t going home anyway!)
BillB
(PS - couldn’t agree more about it being an anti-immigrant vote. And the joke is that the type of Johnny Foreigners they’re againgst aren’t going home anyway!)
BillB
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