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Please Mr EUSSR save us from the Nasty UK! I've got this little red riding hood vision, oo gramdma what be teeth you have......
Please Mr EUSSR save us from the Nasty UK! I've got this little red riding hood vision, oo gramdma what be teeth you have......
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They had to pur a load of money into Ireland, money which, if we leave the EU, will fall to Germany to provide.
I somehow doubt the EU would want top be putting any money Scotlands way. Scotland would also have to join the Euro (as all new countries do) and would have to qualify fiscally which would be very difficult given they have no economic history.
It really hasnt been thought through but the wee lass seems to think she knows best.
I somehow doubt the EU would want top be putting any money Scotlands way. Scotland would also have to join the Euro (as all new countries do) and would have to qualify fiscally which would be very difficult given they have no economic history.
It really hasnt been thought through but the wee lass seems to think she knows best.
I am always puzzled why people outside Scotland are so vehemently against Scotland deciding what it wants to do. (some of)The English keep harping on about Scotland being doomed to failure on its own and that England is Scotland's only hope of avoiding destitution and ruin. The tone is always one of contempt, not of charity - why not encourage Scotland away instead to unburden the self righteous ?
The leaders of Scotland, like any leader anywhere, are always likely to see things and proceed their way. If Scotland wants to take a co-operative attitude to international ways, even when it is starkly contrary to its currently conjoined partners' isolationist "We're the greatest and also as always invincible, bound irresistibly and inevitably to not only succeed but dominate" stance, then is that not their prerogative, especially when the current leaders (by overwhelming majority democratic choice) aim to sever the ties with those partners ?
My expectation is that the EU does not want to be seen to encourage division within member states, but the EU is not going to be seen to interfere to the extent of actively preventing orderly division either - a hands-off principle. Once a separate state has emerged then they will engage with that state on equal terms with any other - Scotland is and would/will remain geographically British and in Europe after independence (its people both British and European) and would/will be treated accordingly by the EU if/when an application to join emerges. Scotland will have every bit as good a chance of succeeding in joining the EU (my guess rather rapidly) as Malta, the Baltic states, etc., all of which had a steeper hill to climb in that regard. To suggest the EU would not be interested in having Scotland as a member is more of the same contempt which, frankly, does the purveyors no credit.
The leaders of Scotland, like any leader anywhere, are always likely to see things and proceed their way. If Scotland wants to take a co-operative attitude to international ways, even when it is starkly contrary to its currently conjoined partners' isolationist "We're the greatest and also as always invincible, bound irresistibly and inevitably to not only succeed but dominate" stance, then is that not their prerogative, especially when the current leaders (by overwhelming majority democratic choice) aim to sever the ties with those partners ?
My expectation is that the EU does not want to be seen to encourage division within member states, but the EU is not going to be seen to interfere to the extent of actively preventing orderly division either - a hands-off principle. Once a separate state has emerged then they will engage with that state on equal terms with any other - Scotland is and would/will remain geographically British and in Europe after independence (its people both British and European) and would/will be treated accordingly by the EU if/when an application to join emerges. Scotland will have every bit as good a chance of succeeding in joining the EU (my guess rather rapidly) as Malta, the Baltic states, etc., all of which had a steeper hill to climb in that regard. To suggest the EU would not be interested in having Scotland as a member is more of the same contempt which, frankly, does the purveyors no credit.
//I am always puzzled why people outside Scotland are so vehemently against Scotland deciding what it wants to do.//
I'm not. If the opportunity to vote for Scottish independence was extended to the English, I'd vote for it. Scotland and the EU are welcome to each other if that's what Scotland wants.
I'm not. If the opportunity to vote for Scottish independence was extended to the English, I'd vote for it. Scotland and the EU are welcome to each other if that's what Scotland wants.
* Just to hopefully forestall a different track: The leaders of Scotland are there by overwhelming majority democratic choice. The relative proportions for/against ending the Union is a different question for a different discussion, and indeed a different point of actual moment of choosing as and when that comes up, as opposed to mere opinion polls.
Karl, I think you misunderstand most people.
Most of what is written on here is most likely what will happen. Are you honestly claiming that Scotland, with no economic history will be welcomed with open arms into a currency and State?
It's a moot point however since as pointed out above France and Spain will veto any move.
"I am always puzzled why people outside Scotland are so vehemently against Scotland deciding what it wants to do. "
Do you mean stay as part of the UK? Because at the last referendum not that long ago that is what they voted for and want to do.
Most of what is written on here is most likely what will happen. Are you honestly claiming that Scotland, with no economic history will be welcomed with open arms into a currency and State?
It's a moot point however since as pointed out above France and Spain will veto any move.
"I am always puzzled why people outside Scotland are so vehemently against Scotland deciding what it wants to do. "
Do you mean stay as part of the UK? Because at the last referendum not that long ago that is what they voted for and want to do.
Naomi, I wonder if you have not "cross-purposed" yourself. You say you are not surprised that people outside Scotland are against Scottish independence, but you then go on to suggest those people (yourself included) would happily let Scotland go. Surely that is contradictory and you actually mean that you are opposed to those who oppose Scottish independence ?
There is clearly strength and sense for an island, or group of them, to act as one nation. If one part is considering taking leave of their senses and breaking away it's reasonable for the whole to point out the error. But it's about giving sensible advice to one area of our nation, not preventing them from making their own mistakes.
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