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Is Austerity Something We Will Have To Live With Always?

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Bobbisox1 | 17:39 Fri 19th Jul 2019 | News
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The term AUSTERITY was brought in and used by David Cameron telling everyone that "we're in it together"
I wonder when we're going to break free of that mantra? If ever
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Austerity is something that hits the poor and/or unemployed and or sick etc.. If you are in a fortunate position you may well not notice. When the Chancellor loosens the purse strings and starts investing in the nation again, that's when we're free of austerity.
18:49 Fri 19th Jul 2019
So bobisox/calico girl- when was the golden age when foodbanks weren't needed for teachers, nurses, millions of pensioners and below average wage workers?
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Before the last 3/4 terms in Government so that's about 8-12 yrs I reckon
They might deserve more pay but do they earn enough to live on.
FF - the church used to help out poorer families so instead of giving to foodbanks and charity shops things were donated to the church.
Ummm "They might deserve more pay but do they earn enough to live on."

Sums it up perfectly.
//If nurses need foodbanks why don't millions of pensioners and all those on below average earnings. //

//They do.//

No they don't. Well certainly not all of them. There are around 2 million claimants for Pension Credit currently and estimates suggest up to 1.5 million more are entitled to claim it but don't. This means more than 3 million people are living on an income of £159 per week (or £243 for a couple) or less.

In 2017 the Trussell Trust distributed 1.2 million food handouts and estimated that these were collected by around 590,000 different claimants. So there are at least 2.5m people living on the very lowest income the government believes is necessary but who manage to do so without using foodbanks.

The minimum pay for a nurse is £9.03 per hour. This means that unless they work less that 18 hours per week they will have an income equivalent to the Pension Credit level. Why they find it necessary to use foodbanks is not entirely clear but two things spring to mind:

1. All Unions and staff associations bring evidence to suggest their members are poorly paid. It's what they do.

2. If somebody offered me free petrol to put in my car I'd probably take up the offer (along with many others). But I'm by no means poor.
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Me either NJ but it's there but the Grace of God
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NJ - you don't know how much their outgoings are.
£26k p/a is the average nurses pay in London.
£19,332 k p/a is the average rent in London.

Leaving the princely sum of £6668 to cover all bills, food, travel for a year. That's £128.23 per week, and you're wondering why nurses use food banks.
Some nurses in London only earn £21,000 p/a, so that would leave them with £1668 to survive for a whole year on- that's £32.07p per week.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?
https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary/682c8064/London
https://homelet.co.uk/homelet-rental-index
I met my young student nurse in 1970's. She lived in the Nursing quarters at St Mary's Paddington. She saved recipes from various women's magazines and put them in a large scrap book. We still have it after 40years marriage. All ultra cheap and very nutritious. We sometimes eat those meals now. She got about West London on a 50cc Honda moped which she taxed and insured out of her Student Nurses pay. She bought a old hand cranked Jones sewing machine from Portobello Rd market and made all her own clothes . No cheap Primark then.When we married in 1976 she made her own wedding dress and both the bridesmaid dresses.She baked our 3 tier wedding cake and I got it iced.About two years later we sought a mortgage to buy our first house in London and my wife supplied the majority of the deposit from money she saved and put by. I don't believe nurses have to use food banks but then my young student nurse on £11 per week in 1973 smoked little and did not go clubbing or the pub until I led her astray. :-)
//when was the golden age when foodbanks weren't needed for teachers, nurses, millions of pensioners and below average wage workers?//

//Before the last 3/4 terms in Government so that's about 8-12 yrs I reckon//

Then you reckon wrong, bobbisox. The UK's largest foodbank outfit, the Trussell Trust, was founded in 1997, the year labour last came to power. The intervening 22 years has seen 13 years of Labour administration, five of the Tory/LibDem Coalition and four of Tory government.
I concede she lived in the Nurses home which came out of her pay. We both had to live in London when we married because of our work.That mortgage had to be an endowment mortgage then. They were the only ones available and they didn't come cheap ever.
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So are we not living in austere times???
Have those times passed by unnoticed?

The teachers ,police and NHS staff are to be given pay rises ( tonight's news)
But NOT from Central Govenment,this has to come from local authorities that are already strapped for cash
Lots happily share with others because of the cost of renting. I wouldn't rent a place for over £19k/pa if I earned £26k, I'd share.
Calico- that's nonsense. Rents are expensive in London but my kids have never paid anything like that . Okay they are single. If a nurse has a family I doubt most other jobs would pay enough to cover rent and expenses either- so I'd suggest moving. Nurses are paid reasonable salaries. Are you saying anyone renting who earns an average salary needs a foodbank - and it's the government's fault?
//£19,332 k p/a is the average rent in London. //

Indeed. If you live on your own. Many people on low incomes flatshare or roomshare. You cannot expect to live in a single property in London when you have a single relatively low income.
No pay rise in 10 years I believe that is due to austerity
It's a statistical fact FF, hence I linked it, we can only discuss averages here because if we discuss individual cases you'll scream it's untrue.
I can't help it that you don't like the figures.

BTW- brilliant idea suggesting all the nurses move out of London, you little genius you.
//But NOT from Central Govenment,this has to come from local authorities that are already strapped for cash//

More than 80% of LA income is provided by central government.

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