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I completely agree with naomi. Mr Johnson’s “deal” is not Brexit. Just a slightly different version of Mrs May’s rubbish deal.
However, where naomi and I do differ is because of this, I won’t be voting Conservative.
All the ERG members that I looked up, support this deal, so there is nobody left in the Conservative party to fight for a better deal or a no deal. Which is my preference.
All the ERG members that I looked up, support this deal, so there is nobody left in the Conservative party to fight for a better deal or a no deal. Which is my preference.
naomi, I could never vote Labour or Lib non Dem, so possibly Brexit. I understand the danger of splitting the leave vote, but I need to vote for the party that is closest to my opinions and beliefs.
Of course I’d hate to see that grandiose nutter Corbyn become PM, but I honestly believe whichever of the the main parties get in, then it’s toilet time for the UK.
Of course, my other option is spoiling my ballot paper, which I’d rather not do, but whatever I decide, I’ll be waiting outside the polling station at 7 on the day.
In fact, I’ve just put off moving house for a couple of days so as not to jeopardise my vote.
Of course I’d hate to see that grandiose nutter Corbyn become PM, but I honestly believe whichever of the the main parties get in, then it’s toilet time for the UK.
Of course, my other option is spoiling my ballot paper, which I’d rather not do, but whatever I decide, I’ll be waiting outside the polling station at 7 on the day.
In fact, I’ve just put off moving house for a couple of days so as not to jeopardise my vote.
//Mr Johnson’s “deal” is not Brexit//
Why not? All the referendum said was leave or remain, there was never any mention of the details of how that should be achieved.
Back to the original question though, it does seem surprising that Nige isn't running himself, despite what the party line might say. Makes one wonder if they couldn't find a safe enough seat, and are just sparing him the ignominy of losing a vote.
Why not? All the referendum said was leave or remain, there was never any mention of the details of how that should be achieved.
Back to the original question though, it does seem surprising that Nige isn't running himself, despite what the party line might say. Makes one wonder if they couldn't find a safe enough seat, and are just sparing him the ignominy of losing a vote.
n. Where's the beef?
'Under Boris’s Brexit deal, Britain leaves the EU – including the single market and the customs union. We leave the jurisdiction of the European court. We leave the common agricultural and fisheries policy.
We take back control of our own money and borders. We would live under our own Parliament and make our own laws.
In short, we would have everything we leavers have wanted – and have everything an independent country ought to enjoy.
Indeed, its precisely because Boris’s deal does deliver Brexit that Farage stopped trying to find apparent fault with it. He switched instead to arguing that the problem lay in any future trade deals that we might conclude with the EU after we’re out.'
'Under Boris’s Brexit deal, Britain leaves the EU – including the single market and the customs union. We leave the jurisdiction of the European court. We leave the common agricultural and fisheries policy.
We take back control of our own money and borders. We would live under our own Parliament and make our own laws.
In short, we would have everything we leavers have wanted – and have everything an independent country ought to enjoy.
Indeed, its precisely because Boris’s deal does deliver Brexit that Farage stopped trying to find apparent fault with it. He switched instead to arguing that the problem lay in any future trade deals that we might conclude with the EU after we’re out.'
But for years (and it's an extendable period) we will be still paying into the EU budget and subject to their rules. Free movement will still exist. The so called financial obligations, that I've yet to see proved, will still be demanded. And the EU will still demand a hard border, except that they're ok with it splitting off NI from the rest of the UK. NI will still be in a customs union, using EU rates of VAT not UK rates.
It may turn out to be bearable but it's not fully exit, and it's unclear how long it'll take, if ever, to get to that stage.
It may turn out to be bearable but it's not fully exit, and it's unclear how long it'll take, if ever, to get to that stage.
Maybe nobody does have a clue, bhg481, but whatever the others promise will probably be reneged on.
Besides which, they are banging on about the environment, mental health and other stuff I have no interest in, and the NHS will never improve unless someone has the balls to give it a major overhaul.
As I said before, I haven’t decided yet.
This is the first time I’ve not known how to vote.
Besides which, they are banging on about the environment, mental health and other stuff I have no interest in, and the NHS will never improve unless someone has the balls to give it a major overhaul.
As I said before, I haven’t decided yet.
This is the first time I’ve not known how to vote.
Khandro, you quoted the Telegraph so I’ll do likewise. This from 24 October. //The Prime Minister has negotiated the best Brino that Britain could hope for in today’s wretched political circumstances. But the deal is still insanity wrapped in victory. It leaves Britain kowtowing to the rulings of a foreign judicial power, the ECJ, for years...
You no doubt get the general drift so I won’t go on.
You no doubt get the general drift so I won’t go on.
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