Freeeeeedom!

[ToraToraTora]

what else can I say........

[naomi24]

Mozz, //It's time to grab an oar.//

My sentiment exactly and I said as much a couple of days ago. The 'Remain' argument is pointless. We're out and it's time that everyone pulled together in support of this great country of ours.

[emmie]

couldn't agree more Naomi, it is great

[jim360]

I can completely understand the sentiments that we should now come together to make leaving work, but I don't think it's necessary to abandon my core beliefs at the same time. Part of making Leaving work must be to take seriously the concerns of those who didn't want to, in order to either prove those concerns wrong altogether or to at the very least mitigate them.

As I said earlier, I would love to feel stupid about all this a few years hence. That's the best I can do, for now.

[Mozz71]

Naomi - 100% yes. I may not like what's happened, but I want what is best for my child, and what is best is a united front. Time to put our differences aside.

[Mozz71]

Jim, that works fine for me. I haven't suddenly become a Brexiteer, I just want what is best for the country.

[naomi24]

Mozz, I really think all the negatively and scaremongering that's been bandied around over the past three plus years has had a detrimental effect. I'm sick of the depressing gloom and doom merchants. If they want to remain negative best we ignore them and leave them to their own devices. They have nothing to contribute to the positivity of a determination to pursue growth and success. Happy days.

[Mozz71]

I disagree there Naomi. People have legitimate worries about the effects of Brexit and shouldn't be ignored because of them. That's just more of the "us and them" mentality I spoke of before. The united front has to be on both sides, the Brexiteers have to accept Remainers just as much as the Remainers have to show willing to accept what has happened.

Don't dismiss the naysayers, show them that we can make it work as a unified country. A United Kingdom in intent as well as name.

[naomi24]

Mozz, //I disagree there Naomi. People have legitimate worries about the effects of Brexit and shouldn't be ignored because of them.//

I didn't suggest we dismiss legitimate worries - simply the gloom and doom scaremonger brigade who will say anything if they think it will assist their cause. They've caused enough problems.

[Mozz71]

What might sound like scaremongering to you may be a legitimate concern for someone else. Thats the point I'm trying to make, don't dismiss someone because we don't like what they say, show them with our actions that we can overcome their concerns.

[vulcan42]

I think, strangely enough, that the recovery of this great nation lies in the hands of the people that wanted to remain in the EU. How many of the millions that voted to remain will drop their prejudices and misgivings and work towards a unified country. Do they want a country that is independent, strong, respected throughout the world or is it their chief concern is to be able to say in a few years time" I told you so"?

[Mozz71]

Absolutely Vulcan. Both sides need to unite, but the former Remainers have to show the initiative. They don't have to change their reservations, but show willing to put them to one side for the greater good.

[naomi24]

Vulcan,//is it their chief concern is to be able to say in a few years time" I told you so"? //

I think for some it is. I get the impression that they would like nothing more than failure.

[Mozz71]

//I think for some it is. I get the impression that they would like nothing more than failure.//

Agreed, and no amount of olive branches are going to change that, but remember that these are a tiny minority of Remainers. I'm glad to say that most of us are not G and D.

[diddlydo]

I'm waiting for the day when the UK government goes cap in hand and tugging forelock to gain re-admittance to the EU. Meanwhile I'm off for a holiday in one of my favourite EU countries amongst my favourite pro-European friends.

[shoota]

Ta-ra.

[mushroom25]

//I'm waiting for the day when the UK government goes cap in hand and tugging forelock to gain re-admittance to the EU. //

that's not the gospel according to St Tony.....

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/109541/tony-blair-says-uk-should-make-best-brexit-he-warns

[Bobbisox1]

Are you going to stay with Gulliver ?

[naomi24]

^ :o)

[Peter Pedant]

// Naomi - 100% yes. I may not like what's happened, but I want what is best for my child, and what is best is a united front.//

and would the maundering Nigh have said the same if we had voted no ? or would she have said ( see scotland) = one more push and we will get there - and then later OK another big push and we will get there
and then OK we are almost there one push .......

people who speak with forked tongues, should not kiss balloons - Rowan and Martin's Laugh in 1968

[gulliver1]

16.06 ,For Gods sake get a grip , and pull your socks up , what the hell is wrong with you,