Freeeeeedom!

[ToraToraTora]

what else can I say........

[theshedman]

The question Mozz asked gulliver was, "I'll ask once more: would you rather see the UK thrive outside the EU and prove Remain wrong, or would you rather see us crash and burn, so you can say "I told you so?"

[emmie]

surely we are going to thrive now we are out....

[diddlydo]

OK Shedman. Yes of course I'd like to see the UK thrive, but with close links to the EU. However, judging from Boris's rhetoric that's looking unlikely so I shall have no hesitation in saying "Told you so" when there's an economic disaster.

[emmie]

and will you apologise when that doesn't happen,

[diddlydo]

Emmie - I fail to understand your blind faith in the PM

[theshedman]

As usual diddly you have to finish on a downer. Lighten up a bit. However any of us voted we now have to make the most of this chance and get on with it.

[emmie]

i have faith in democracy.

[diddlydo]

I'm not sure our PM believes in democracy - he's more interested in getting his own way.

[theshedman]

It was democracy that put him as PM so he has to be given a chance. It is no good seeing everything through blinkers.

[Mozz71]

Thank you Diddly, for taking the time to answer the question. It seems that Gulliver found it somewhat purplexing, leading me to wonder if her might prefer to see us crash and burn. I guess not living in the UK has made him anti-British.

[emmie]

we had a vote and even dyed in the wool Labour voters changed their votes, the belief being that things will change, give the Tories a chance under Boris..

[ichkeria]

It seems that Boris Johnson is determined to pursue the “hard Brexit” which he threatened during the run-up his, and his party’s election. This is frankly insane. It’ll likely destroy the British car industry (cabinet meetings in Sunderland may be scant consolation for that).
Brexit can certainly work but it won’t work very well it we pick a fight with a bloc with whom we do 40% of our trade.
We can’t in this modern world be a wholly independent country. We can take “rules” from the EU or we can take them for more powerful future trading partners from countries like the US and China, countries many of whom do not share our values moreover.
Britain voted, exhaustedly, to “get Brexit done” not to
“do ourselves”

[diddlydo]

Well said Ich!

[naomi24]

//it won’t work very well it we pick a fight///

Stop being so weak and negative with silly talk of picking fights. This isn’t a playground spat. Trade is beneficial to all. We know that, Europe knows that and the world knows that. No one need be submissive.

[ichkeria]

Unfortunately it’s pretty much like that at the moment. Not all of it one way either by any means: even Leo Varadkar cautioned BOTH sides to moderate its approach and its language.
Hopefully common sense will prevail, because there’s actually 6 months effectively - at most - to reach an agreement and as things stand there’s zero chance of a trade agreement in that time.

[retrocop]

http://www.upl.co/upload/e3Gs3Cz0E

[ToraToraTora]

awesome retro!

[jim360]

There's more to trade than just trading though, isn't there? Trade Deals tend to mean a certain give-and-take, ie both sides agree to conform to the other's standards in various ways. The problem the UK now faces is that it has little choice but to diverge -- otherwise, as Johnson reasonably asks, what would have been the point of Leaving? -- but divergence necessarily means that trading between the UK and EU will be negatively impacted.

Put another we, we already had the freest of free trade deals, and it is clearly a contradiction to seek such deals with the rest of the world at the same time as seeking a less free deal with our nearest neighbours and largest trading partners. Yes, trade will still continue -- but under what terms, and at what added costs? The next year will tell.

[retrocop]

:-)

[pixie374]

I think Gulliver lives in Spain? So, I'm not really sure of the problem there.
I disagree slightly with one of your earlier posts, naomi. I think that most ex-remainers (on the site too) were probably disappointed with the results... but have the integrity, strength of character and honesty, to accept they were in the minority this time... and are supporting democracy, respect for other people and integrity. I respect those for that. It's just the people who believe they know better than everyone else, who are the loudest... so it can give the impression that every remainer is arrogant and deceitful. But I can think of at least a few people here, who voted remain, no doubt disagreed with the results, but accepted them anyway. Almost the actual definition of "tolerance" and integrity.