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Jim360 - “The defeat, such as it was, owes more to the leaders of the Remain campaign than it does to the rank-
01:01 Sat 01st Feb 2020
It seems that Boris Johnson is determined to pursue the “hard Brexit” which he threatened during the run-up his, and his party’s election. This is frankly insane. It’ll likely destroy the British car industry (cabinet meetings in Sunderland may be scant consolation for that).
Brexit can certainly work but it won’t work very well it we pick a fight with a bloc with whom we do 40% of our trade.
We can’t in this modern world be a wholly independent country. We can take “rules” from the EU or we can take them for more powerful future trading partners from countries like the US and China, countries many of whom do not share our values moreover.
Britain voted, exhaustedly, to “get Brexit done” not to
“do ourselves”
Brexit can certainly work but it won’t work very well it we pick a fight with a bloc with whom we do 40% of our trade.
We can’t in this modern world be a wholly independent country. We can take “rules” from the EU or we can take them for more powerful future trading partners from countries like the US and China, countries many of whom do not share our values moreover.
Britain voted, exhaustedly, to “get Brexit done” not to
“do ourselves”
Unfortunately it’s pretty much like that at the moment. Not all of it one way either by any means: even Leo Varadkar cautioned BOTH sides to moderate its approach and its language.
Hopefully common sense will prevail, because there’s actually 6 months effectively - at most - to reach an agreement and as things stand there’s zero chance of a trade agreement in that time.
Hopefully common sense will prevail, because there’s actually 6 months effectively - at most - to reach an agreement and as things stand there’s zero chance of a trade agreement in that time.
There's more to trade than just trading though, isn't there? Trade Deals tend to mean a certain give-and-take, ie both sides agree to conform to the other's standards in various ways. The problem the UK now faces is that it has little choice but to diverge -- otherwise, as Johnson reasonably asks, what would have been the point of Leaving? -- but divergence necessarily means that trading between the UK and EU will be negatively impacted.
Put another we, we already had the freest of free trade deals, and it is clearly a contradiction to seek such deals with the rest of the world at the same time as seeking a less free deal with our nearest neighbours and largest trading partners. Yes, trade will still continue -- but under what terms, and at what added costs? The next year will tell.
Put another we, we already had the freest of free trade deals, and it is clearly a contradiction to seek such deals with the rest of the world at the same time as seeking a less free deal with our nearest neighbours and largest trading partners. Yes, trade will still continue -- but under what terms, and at what added costs? The next year will tell.
I think Gulliver lives in Spain? So, I'm not really sure of the problem there.
I disagree slightly with one of your earlier posts, naomi. I think that most ex-remainers (on the site too) were probably disappointed with the results... but have the integrity, strength of character and honesty, to accept they were in the minority this time... and are supporting democracy, respect for other people and integrity. I respect those for that. It's just the people who believe they know better than everyone else, who are the loudest... so it can give the impression that every remainer is arrogant and deceitful. But I can think of at least a few people here, who voted remain, no doubt disagreed with the results, but accepted them anyway. Almost the actual definition of "tolerance" and integrity.
I disagree slightly with one of your earlier posts, naomi. I think that most ex-remainers (on the site too) were probably disappointed with the results... but have the integrity, strength of character and honesty, to accept they were in the minority this time... and are supporting democracy, respect for other people and integrity. I respect those for that. It's just the people who believe they know better than everyone else, who are the loudest... so it can give the impression that every remainer is arrogant and deceitful. But I can think of at least a few people here, who voted remain, no doubt disagreed with the results, but accepted them anyway. Almost the actual definition of "tolerance" and integrity.
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