Uk National Debt Over £2 Trillion

[Gromit]

More than 100% of GDP.

When Labour left office in 2010 the National Debt was less than £1 Trillion, so the Tories have managed to double it. Will the electorate ever forgive the Conservatives again for trouncing the economy?

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/uk-national-debt-tops-2-trillion-first-time-history-2020-8-1029523359

[Spicerack]

Don't let the bullies grind you down, Naomi.
You're right now and you were right a couple of weeks ago.
Everyone with more than 2 braincells knows it.

[THECORBYLOON]

"You're right now and you were right a couple of weeks ago."

She's been right twice now? What an endorsement!

[naomi24]

Spicerack, ;o))

[ladybirder]

Thanks Gulliver, your sneering post to me at 22.31 in answer to mine at 20.06 (NOT 22.06) proves my point.

[jim360]

I didn't realise that posting details from the paper Naomi is talking about that directly refutes the point she's making is "bullying".

Or, if I've misunderstood the point Naomi is making, I equally don't understand why it's so unreasonable to ask for a clarification. There may or may not have been other issues with Ferguson's model (and other predictions out there), in part because the nature of modelling means that it's bound to fail to capture reality; but simply pointing to the highest figure for a death toll simply won't cut it, because at this point that's irrelevant for the two key reasons I've mentioned.

The other frustrating point is that the implication of "going round the houses" and "ducking and diving" is that arguments against that point were in a sense made in bad faith -- to obscure, rather than to clarify. I am bored of having to refute such implications. If I misunderstood your point, Naomi, I apologise, but I won't apologise for trying to address it in good faith. All I ask is that you respond in kind.

All of this is by the by, though. Whether or not the science the Government was presented with was "wrong", the wider point of Naomi's post, as I understood it, was that the Government was faced with two equally horrific options, and had to choose one. On that broad point, at least, I don't think that any of her so-called "bullies" would disagree. Even if you were to take issue with the timing, the extent, etc, the fundamental choice was horrific.

[tomus42]

This is a pathetic question gromit.

[naomi24]

Jim, // the paper Naomi is talking about//

I haven’t mentioned a ‘paper’.

//the nature of modelling means that it's bound to fail to capture reality//

Godlike in its nature. Lauded if right, excused if wrong.

//I am bored of having to refute such implications.//

Your ‘boredom’ is the product of your own failings.

[10ClarionSt]

Sorry, I've not read any of the replies but I'm not at all surprised at the National Debt Figure. This Prime Minister doesn't care about this country as long as he can still be the PM. The office of PM is all he cares about and he is determined to hold on to it no matter how mnuch harm he does to this country.

[1ozzy]

^^So you have your own Trump^^

[gulliver1]

Dump Trump ,Ditch Doris.

[Gromit]

For 10 years the Tory Governments have inflicted austerity on the UK’s poor.
And what have the got to show for it? - another £1 Trillion pound in debt.

[ToraToraTora]

would you have preferred agent Cob gromit?

[allenlondon]

Don't worry people, Tora's nurse will be along shortly, and then we'll all get some peace for a few hours.

[ToraToraTora]

it's a reasonable question, to you too Allen, would you have been happy if Agent Cob had won the last general election?

[Ellipsis]

In a choice between Crappy and Crappier, I'm not going to rejoice that Crappy won and has been even more Crappy than I expected ever since. And corrupt, for that matter.

[dannyk13]

Ellipsis //And corrupt, for that matter//
And your proof of this is?

[douglas9401]

It's not really a reasonable question though, is it?

It's whataboutery used to try and deflect blame from those responsible for the shambolic mess we find ourselves in.

Corbyn never was and never will be in power so introducing him to the argument is, dare I spath, moot.

[ToraToraTora]

"It's not really a reasonable question though, is it? " - of course it is, gromit, allen and co continually denigrate the government so surely it's reasonable to ask if they'd have preferred labour to be in charge. Why are they too embarrassed to state it?

[naomi24]

I’m curious how those who complain about austerity and want money splashed around on everything think that can be achieved without money being spent - and if necessary borrowed. I suppose we could always go down the road of the last Labour government - you know, selling off the family silver - well gold actually - rifling the working man’s pension pot - hitting the poorest with higher taxes - all that sort of thing - but that doesn’t seem the best plan to me. Any other ideas?