'Racist' Milwall Fans - Your View?

[andy-hughes]

There has been controversy about the reaction to players 'taking the knee' at a weekend game, where Milwall fans were heard to boo the players involved.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fa-launch-probe-after-millwall-4774697

It appears the FA are investigating the potential for action against the club for the 'racsist actions' of its fans.

Personally, I don't believe that showing your disapproval of an act of support for a social campaign - or a political organisation, depending on your viewpoint, equates to either not supporting that campain / organisation, or to actively advising your support of an opposite point of view.

Put simply, I don't believe that booing 'taking the knee' makes anyone a racist.

It's an assumption that has no basis in reason, and to me, it shows people being far too keen to look at a negative attitude to one behaviour, and ascribe it possessing a negative attitude to another, with no viable connection.

I am not a football fan, and I wouldn't ever boo anyone, or any action in public, but I do strongly dislike the pointless OTT woke-ism and self-righteousness of 'taking the knee' and I believe it has no place in our sports arenas, but if anyone were to accuse me of being a racist for expressing that view, we would be having serious words.

What are your views?

[Mozz71]

"Anti-discrimination efforts". So this is nothing to do with BLM. You wanted them to move away from BLM, that's what they're doing. I guess we'll just have to see what happens. Hopefully they'll be a little more respect tonight.

[Theland]

Peer pressure.

[Togo]

//Who knew the FA had a space programme?//

Have you never heard of Kneel Hamstrung?

Anybody else sick of Sky Sports "message" yet? Wall to wall wimmins fussball results as well. Wonder how many black lasses tune in just for the futty results. Must be millions of em then.

[royfromaus]

Mozz71
"Anti-discrimination efforts". So this is nothing to do with BLM. You wanted them to move away from BLM, that's what they're doing.
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You said there will be no knee...see the link.
I had seen the link and had read there will be a knee.
Couldn't you just acknowledge I was right?

[ichkeria]

“ they are probably sick and tired of all this kneeling BS more than racist.”

They don’t actually have to do it themselves. Five seconds of their precious time. I can understand if they are bored with it, but what sort of person actually would boo it?
I think we all know :-)

[Mozz71]

There's no pre-arranged knee taking for both teams, which I thought was the issue.

But yes, you are right. Feel happier now?

[Mozz71]

Theland, how can it be peer pressure if those who wanted to do it have gone out of their way to tell the clubs that. If both teams were doing it but some fely pressure into submitting, you'd be right, but this isn't peer pressure.

[royfromaus]

But yes, you are right.
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That's better.

[Mozz71]

Are you okay with me just stroking your ego, or would you like it polished too? ;-)

[Theland]

So if some knelt, and some stood, the crowds would both boo and cheer?
Yes, I think its peer pressure.
Being anti racist but resisting wokeness seems a difficult path to follow.

[Mozz71]

Theland, they've arranged an alternative anti-racism statement, but some players are still wanting to take the knee. That isn't peer pressure. That's them believing in that cause and supporting it despite being pressured by the fans not to.

If anything, they're resisting peer pressure.

[naomi24]

//what sort of person actually would boo it?
I think we all know :-) //

I too think much of it is attributable to peer pressure - and if we don't know why people concede to it, ^that conclusion gives a good indication.

[ichkeria]

There was certainly no peer pressure in the booing. It was a full throated cacophony of hate from what sounded like most of those present.

[naomi24]

Ichkeria, Hate? Really? Not just disapproval? And you reached that conclusion how?

[ichkeria]

I listened to it.
It wasn’t just a few boos to start, with others joining in.
It was full on from the word go. Premeditated. In fairness they’ve had enough time to think about it :-)

[emmie]

aren't Millwall known for their booing??

[QuizmasterG]

I thought taking the knee or kneeling was a gesture of supplication or subservience?
Isn't it ironic that it is used as a gesture of support?

[naomi24]

Ichkeria, Ahhh. You listened to it - and from that concluded it definitely emanated from hatred. That's clever!

^That's exactly why people bow to peer pressure. Shameful.

[Mozz71]

Theland, my apologies, I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that taking the knee was a product of peer.pressure, where you meant the actual booing was. You may be right too an extent. I feel mob mentality is more likely, but there's a fine line separating the two things.

[Mozz71]

//aren't Millwall known for their booing??//

They're more known for violence and hooliganism.