Starmer

[Paigntonian]

While it became eventually true that the Labour Party and its supporters fell out of love with Foot, Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Miliband, and Corbyn I sense that they are already disappointed with Starmer. He has, to quote someone else, the charisma of a damp rag.

[royfromaus]

Are you trying to get the magic 6?

[Paigntonian]

Not sure! Corbyn could at least attract interest, loathsome as he was. Starmer just hasn't got that indefinable 'it', call it charisma or star quality.

[teacake44]

Disregarding any polices any party may have, a leader in my opinion has to be liked in many ways before people vote for them, I'm not and never will be that interested in politics, but I don't think many like Starmer, and for sure he won't drum up much support in his cheap remarks regarding the present problems.

[Paigntonian]

Teacake. I think you're correct. The constant posturing about Covid is dreadful. Says a lot about his common human decency.

[Sunk]

// party and supporters fell out of love with Foot, Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Miliband, and Corbyn //

You mean like they fell out of love with Heath, Thatcher, Major, Hague, Howard, Duncan Smith, Cameron and May ?

I agree that Starmer does not have a lot of charisma, but he does have a knack of being right.

The last PMQs was portrayed as a Boris victory. Starmer told him that the 5 day Christmas spreadathon was a bad idea, and that he must rethink and stop it.
Boris laughed at him and said Starmer wants to cancel Christmas.



3 days later, Boris had a rethink, did a huge u-turn and cancelled everyones Christmas plans. It is better to be uncharismatic and right, than to bumbling and wrong.

[bobbinwales]

Hes playing the long game trying to steer a narrow course where he wants to be seen to be suppporting the general policy of the goverment on the pandemic but allways saying we should of done it sooner or faster or better and with more money thrown at it and he'll surely remind us of that at the next election. He'll be able to point to lots of failures and use the 'we told you so' claims. He may still pull it off at the next election. For me he's calmer than Boris but allso more decisive as he shown with Corbyn and certainly has a better eye for detail than Boris.

[ToraToraTora]

yes, their search for the 4th ever leader to win an election must continue.

[bobbinwales]

Trouble is tho Sunk, Kier was pressed on what he would do diffrently then about Xmas and all he came up with was "for a start reducing from 3 famlies meeting to 2" which was actually far looser than what Boris went for eventually

[Paigntonian]

Tora: You're almost right. MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair. So next, if it ever happens, must be number 5.

[ToraToraTora]

Blair was Tory Lite, essentially a Thatcherite, no one counts him or his government as real Labour.

[emmie]

doesn't he want to devolve more powers away from Westminster

[ToraToraTora]

The best labour leader, by far, was Atlee, he even makes my top 5 PMs of all time and I'm a Tory.

[drmorgans]

I have been listening to Barack Obama reading from the first part of his presidential papers ("A Promised Land"). There's a man with charisma, intelligence, and judgment.

[Paigntonian]

Tora: He was a Labour PM and elected as such.

[emmie]

shame that many didnt think obama delivered -

[Paigntonian]

Drmorgans. Could you tell me where to find that? TIA.

[ToraToraTora]

He was leader of a party called (new?) Labour but they were not real labour.

[Mozz71]

Tora, it's only you that doesn't count Blair.

[Untitled]

It is true that blair left thatcher's economy alone (proved to be a mistake - it blew up on its own in 2008) but I cant imagine thatcher legalising same sex unions, or introducing a minimum wage, or repealing the atrocious sec 28, or many of the other things that government did to help the poor.

[Paigntonian]

Wow, untitled, think you've got some reading to do...