How Can Labour Recover?

[naomi24]

I’ve just listened to a Labour spokeswoman (no idea who she was) saying that the way for Labour to recover is to return to the hard left. What is it they don’t understand?

If you were making decisions for Labour what changes would you implement to return them to a modicum of popularity?

[Untitled]

I am arguing that the opposition should not just adopt the government's policies because that would make our democracy a sham... I don't think I could be clearer.

[ToraToraTora]

untitled 10:47, yes there were differences but it wasn't black and white, more subtle. The important thing is that Labour underwent a metamorphosis in their attitude. They realised that the voters were no longer swayed by their, shaft anyone with a spare shilling, stance. They slaughtered their own sacred cows and impersonated the tories to gain power. Real Labour cannot win and I'm amazed they still have a large contingent that don't realise that.

[Untitled]

I don't agree that they impersonated the Tories... I think that is largely hindsight talking... but they did successfully reinvent themselves, yes. I'd very much like to see Labour do something similar but unfortunately the new labour project was fatally toxified by the Iraq war...

[davebro]

Well, let's see what Labour can come up with & if it's appreciably different from what the Tories are offering but still acceptable (preferable) to enough of those voters in the seats that matter to produce a change of government. (In a few years time!)

[Ken4155]

A change of government might just be over-reaching. I'd settle for a formidable opposition just now. It's not healthy for the country when one party holds all the aces.

[emmie]

no its not, but with SKS in charge and no firm policies then can't see them getting into power any time soon.

[woofgang]

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"I am arguing that the opposition should not just adopt the government's policies because that would make our democracy a sham... I don't think I could be clearer. "

But what if those policies are right? Should they champion wrong ones to be different?

[naomi24]

^That was the question I was going to ask.

[Jackdaw33]

labour seem to have bucked the trend in Wales, doing remarkably well. Of course they had the advantage of being in office and the Welsh people must be reasonably content with the way they have handled things recently.

[tonyav]

Well Angela Rayner has been sacked, soooo KS is having a reshuffle. Dunno if that will help them on the road to recovery though.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/angela-rayner-sacked-as-keir-starmer-begins-major-labour-party-reshuffle/ar-BB1gvIcU?li=BBoPWjQ

[Atheist]

Let Lisa Nandy (Wigan MP) off the leash. Despite her being young and female, she speaks very well. I think she's a future PM, maybe the first female Labour PM.

[Jackdaw33]

We don't hear much, if anything, these days from Hilary Benn since he left Corbyn's team. He was quite abig hitter and came across as moderate, unlike his father. I had him marked down as a future leader.

[ToraToraTora]

athiest "Let Lisa Nandy (Wigan MP) off the leash. Despite her being young and female, she speaks very well. I think she's a future PM, maybe the first female Labour PM." - seriously PMSL! I love a bit of comedy!

[Atheist]

TTT - how can I argue with such a clearly set-out logical argument against a youngish Labour female being considered as worth listening to? I cede my place to the shining wit that you are.

[ToraToraTora]

mate, only three Labour leaders have ever won a GE, you seriously think Lisa Nandy could be the 4th? You're having a Turkish me old china!

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, if you were on "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?" and the question were about the number of Labour leaders winning elections, would you say there had been only three?

[New Judge]

I expect he would answer "four" if it meant winning a million smackeroonies. However, like Tora, I do not consider Mr Blair to be representative of the Labour Party, so that's why he probably mentions only three.

[ToraToraTora]

Judge, only Labour supporters who are desperate to not have been out of power for half a century consider new labour were actually Labour. I'm pretty sure St Tony, Mandy and AC just looked at it as the "project" to attain power and privately would no doubt say they were not Labour.

[ToraToraTora]

....even if it is four that's not many in 120 years is it?