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Could it possibly be our TROB approach to crime and non-punishment? Surely the savage should not have been out on the streets in the first place. Blaming the security services is like blaming the sheep dog for not rounding up all the sheep after you let them out.
Could it possibly be our TROB approach to crime and non-punishment? Surely the savage should not have been out on the streets in the first place. Blaming the security services is like blaming the sheep dog for not rounding up all the sheep after you let them out.
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AH, if he killed because he was a psychopath you must concede that an awful lot of psychopaths adhere to Islam. Furthermore, Islam cannot be compared to any other religion and until apologists acknowledge that, the world is fighting this appalling philosophy with one hand tied behind its back. People like you do no one except Islamic extremists any favours...
18:22 Fri 28th May 2021
Sunk: "Name names.
You can’t because you know what you are saying is daft. " - I can't because I don't have a list but if it helps they are the ones who say things like, "It's only a few extremists" or "it's not because he's a muslim, it's becuase he's a psychopath" etc after the latest terrorist attack or public naming of Muslim Paedophile/rape gangs. Their first instinct is to defend Islam. Remind you of anyone?
You can’t because you know what you are saying is daft. " - I can't because I don't have a list but if it helps they are the ones who say things like, "It's only a few extremists" or "it's not because he's a muslim, it's becuase he's a psychopath" etc after the latest terrorist attack or public naming of Muslim Paedophile/rape gangs. Their first instinct is to defend Islam. Remind you of anyone?
Sunk - TTT has seen Islam as a terrible bogeyman for the duration of his stay on here.
His fear is borne of ignorance, combined with the need for a simple solution to a complex and dificult problem - Islam is the problem, get rid of Muslims, the problem goes away.
That notion is backed up by others who claim to bring an 'educated' perspective to the same simplistic solution, instead of accepting that Islam is linked to terrorism, but it is not a provider in the simplistic way that TTT and others would like to think it is.
I for one am tired of simply pointing out that condemning an entire faith system because it harbours a small but clearly psychotic minority of terrorists is unreasonable - and then being talked down to as though i am an eight-year-old with personality issues.
I have withdrawn from debating with TTT because it suits his catch-all paranoia to lable anyone who does not take his one-dimensional view, as a 'sympathiser' which is as offensive as it is inaccurate.
He will never change - he is far too convinced that he is right, and will say so as often as he can for as long as he can.
He understands opposition, he fails to understand a different perspective, or that such a thing can even exist.
His fear is borne of ignorance, combined with the need for a simple solution to a complex and dificult problem - Islam is the problem, get rid of Muslims, the problem goes away.
That notion is backed up by others who claim to bring an 'educated' perspective to the same simplistic solution, instead of accepting that Islam is linked to terrorism, but it is not a provider in the simplistic way that TTT and others would like to think it is.
I for one am tired of simply pointing out that condemning an entire faith system because it harbours a small but clearly psychotic minority of terrorists is unreasonable - and then being talked down to as though i am an eight-year-old with personality issues.
I have withdrawn from debating with TTT because it suits his catch-all paranoia to lable anyone who does not take his one-dimensional view, as a 'sympathiser' which is as offensive as it is inaccurate.
He will never change - he is far too convinced that he is right, and will say so as often as he can for as long as he can.
He understands opposition, he fails to understand a different perspective, or that such a thing can even exist.
AH: "His fear is borne of ignorance, combined with the need for a simple solution to a complex and dificult problem - Islam is the problem, get rid of Muslims, the problem goes away." - my fear is borne of countless examples of terrorism, rape, paedophilia, "honour" killings, their barbaric treatment of their own wives and daughters, let alone western women, but you know what I fear more than that? The blind, like you, that refuse to see. I fear how far we'll have to go before you do see.
TTT i tend to agree, i see what's happening in the capital, and i can't say i care for it.. more than a million Muslims live here, no wonder they can rally thousands when there is protest over Palestine, or some other so called grievance, I wonder truly what Jewish people who by and large at least in the UK are law abiding, think of it all. We will one day have a battle on our hands, with the right on brigade siding with the Muslim Brotherhood, that's what seems to be happening now. How do ordinary women see the wearing of the Burkha, Hijab, Niqab, which seems to be the garb of choice around my neck of the woods. Its time they stepped out of the 7th Century and joined the modern world, there is no need to cover yourself head to foot, and its only women yet again that do. I fear for my country, where its heading and the fools who look away and won't see what's under their noses.
emmie - // Its time they stepped out of the 7th Century and joined the modern world, there is no need to cover yourself head to foot, and its only women yet again that do. //
Does it ever occur to you, and others who consistently point out this dress code as a symbol of perceived oppression, that maybe the ladies who dress that way do it from choice because it makes them feel more comfortable in what is to them, a foreign, and frequently hostile culture?
It really does no harm to British people if Muslim women choose to go out covered up - and I am simply asking if you ever consider that it may be their choice, rather than the simple knee-jerk reaction that it is a manifestation of their oppression.
To our western eyes, it looks different, but different and sinister are not always the same thing.
Does it ever occur to you, and others who consistently point out this dress code as a symbol of perceived oppression, that maybe the ladies who dress that way do it from choice because it makes them feel more comfortable in what is to them, a foreign, and frequently hostile culture?
It really does no harm to British people if Muslim women choose to go out covered up - and I am simply asking if you ever consider that it may be their choice, rather than the simple knee-jerk reaction that it is a manifestation of their oppression.
To our western eyes, it looks different, but different and sinister are not always the same thing.
I’ve just read the posts I didn’t have time to read yesterday and I must take issue with AH at 21.08 fri where he talks about eastern peoples and their religions. That is exactly the ploy the media uses to obscure the truth by describing these murderers as Asian. These atrocities aren’t committed by the people of any religion except Islam - and those of other religions have, quite rightly, complained. Tell
It as it is! Anything less is insulting.
It as it is! Anything less is insulting.
naomi - // AH, some women, particularly the politically minded, do choose to cover themselves from head to toe - but many are obliged to. They have no choice. They are chattels who bear children, wait on men, and do as they’re told. //
I am aware of that thank you.
As usual, you miss no opportunity to assume that you are the resident Islam expert, and no-one except you knows anything at all about the faith, and its expectations.
I merely pointed out the possibility that some women may choose to dress this way, and amazingly, for once you actually agree with me.
the fact that some women are subjugated was not the point I am making, I am aware of it, and i did not need you to point it out to me.
When I feel I need educating about Islam from you, I will let you know.
I am sure you can work out how long a time that may be.
I am aware of that thank you.
As usual, you miss no opportunity to assume that you are the resident Islam expert, and no-one except you knows anything at all about the faith, and its expectations.
I merely pointed out the possibility that some women may choose to dress this way, and amazingly, for once you actually agree with me.
the fact that some women are subjugated was not the point I am making, I am aware of it, and i did not need you to point it out to me.
When I feel I need educating about Islam from you, I will let you know.
I am sure you can work out how long a time that may be.
naomi - // You don’t have to live with insulting me. AH. I’m not the one you’re insulting. //
Any Muslim on here who takes issue with anything I say is entirely at liberty to take it up with me and we can discuss it.
I doubt such individuals, or the faith as a whole needs youto flag-wave when it suits you - taking a break from your usual insistence of a world takeover.
They don't obsess about opinions of their faith that differ from yours, only you do that.
Any Muslim on here who takes issue with anything I say is entirely at liberty to take it up with me and we can discuss it.
I doubt such individuals, or the faith as a whole needs youto flag-wave when it suits you - taking a break from your usual insistence of a world takeover.
They don't obsess about opinions of their faith that differ from yours, only you do that.
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