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jno: "Care to explain what you think will happen if they're untied again - as they were in 1938?" I don't buy that narrative jno. i.e. War again IF untied. The rogue raider era completely ended -vikings, goths, huns etc - , then the ~200 years of 'christian' religious wars in Europe completely ended, the major powers in Europe warsWW 1 and WW11 -completely...
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sevenOP, just to be clear, I was talking nations and governments rather than individuals. When even Vizzini in Princess Bride says "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - and that was 1987, well before the latest round of land wars in Asia - you'd think it would have filtered upward to governments; but no.
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gulliver1 ,
may I ask you which way you voted in the Referendum, if you had a vote, and irrespective of franchised or not, why would you vote Yes or No ?
Perhaps if everyone calmed down and stuck to the topic and regulated their language they wouldn't risk being relegated to the sofa to watch TV all night.

Just a thought.
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7OP, PMSL, gulliver claims to live abroad but seems to take an inordinate amount of interest in UK affairs.
18 .14 Is that meeeeeeeeee you are Agreeing with TGT????????????????????????
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who is TGT?
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Well, this thread has gone to pot since I last visited.
Can folk not stick to the topic and stop having wee digs at each other?
I only mentioned Mods.
18.31 Oh Goody here comes St Mozz.
These tiny numbers of 'leaders' have no serious qualms in 'small wars' or proxy wars, as you probably well know jno, hence Israel will fly over Jordan or Lebanon with impunity to bomb Syria or Iraq, but they would never attack or even fly over Turkey... etc Yemen, Sahel and sub Sahel Africa etc.,, easy proxy, destabilising game.

Unfortunately for the Israelis and by proxy the Yanks, those uncowed Iranians got just too many and powerful toys that even the Samson option just does not scare them and their high tech aerial killing and terrorizing planes can no longer venture where they had no right to over Iran.
Remember a civil war was going on via Bin Laden and his predecessors via Carter's Brzezinski USA millions of dollars funding in 1978 before the Soviet intervention ( and possibly before ?//?)

"the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" The Melian Dialogue.
I voted to remain. As I still live and work in the UK I'm very keen for the benefits of Brexit to start kicking in but I unfortunately I haven't experienced any so far, just rising costs and rising complexity of doing business.

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