So Many Vaccinated But So Many New Infections

[smurfchops]

Why is it that so many millions of people have received their vaccinations, but there are so many new cases every day? Are most of the people with Covid unvaccinated? We are not told this.

[Kardashev]

I give up!

[ichkeria]

I should if I were you.
And in any case, even if the daily figures WERE random, unless someone was deliberately doing a study to show what percentage of people testing positive had been vaccinated - in other words the testing was that study - you still could not draw any conclusions extrapolating from general statistics

[ichkeria]

Testing was “geared to that study” I should have put

[Kardashev]

Nullus est tam caecus quam qui non videat!

[Kardashev]

I think I'm starting to understand Mr Pedant.

[ichkeria]

I’m not sure what part of “the daily testing is results driven and not a random sample study” you fail to understand

[dannyk13]

// Kardashev. I think I'm starting to understand Mr Pedant.//
Oh dear!

[Kardashev]

"I’m not sure what part of “the daily testing is results driven and not a random sample study” you fail to understand" - I'm not sure what part of "no matter how the sample is picked it will reflect the same proportion of the whole" - you faile to grasp, unless of course you believe they only test people who they know are positive/negative. It's not the results it's the selection of the sample and that is in effect random. Is there someone else with CSE maths on here that can explain it better?

[Peter Pedant]

// If I picked everyone wearing yellow trousers, 90% of them .....blah de blah jabber jabber, if I say they are randomly distributed then they are even if they are not............... The Set makes no difference 90% of it will be vaccinated.//

erm even if 90% wear trousers, 90% of bankers wont be, and 90% of women wont be either

and if you cant grasp THAT, then yes give up

[Peter Pedant]

the latin is
no one is more blind that he that doesnt see

[THECORBYLOON]

"Picking people to be tested is just another way of picking a random sample. All the samples are random!"

What about all those folk who ask to be tested and the ones who have to have regular tests because of their work or following an outbreak of COVID?

[Kardashev]

"What about all those folk who ask to be tested and the ones who have to have regular tests because of their work or following an outbreak of COVID? " - in a set this size those are all random in essence.

[Peter Pedant]

all the samples are random even the ones that are chosen

a lot of the confusion about this is because the hacks feeding us the selected facts dont in fact understand the underlying science

[Peter Pedant]

// in a set this size those are all random in essence.//
no- - - people who ask to be selected AREN'T random

I hope you arent editor of a medical journal
OR
your latin is much better than your use of statistics

[Spicerack]

You're obviously a very passionate person, Kardashev.
Is this a hill worth dying on?

[Kardashev]

i'm just using maths, there is no subjectivity here.

[choux]

As I see it, Covid is a statistician's Pandora's Box. I believe that the figures released to the public are probably more designed to scaremonger rather than inform.

[Peter Pedant]

// i'm just using maths, there is no subjectivity here.//
er I am not sure you are

[Gromit]

// the figures are more designed to scaremonger rather than inform. //

That is paranoid. Why would anyone want to make a bad situation worse by adjusting the figures?
I believe the info is flawed, but I don’t believe they are deliberately so. If anything the Government would be trying to allay fears and avoid taking difficult decisions, rather than make things worse by hyping the numbers.

[Spicerack]

You are one of the last ABers I'd expect to see such a naive post from, gromit.