Facts Unclear

[Sqad]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10491929/British-man-arrested-woman-claims-raped-United-Airlines-flight-London.html

I don't know the full facts but the only explanation that I can come up with was that she was so drunk that she didn't realise that she had been raped, until she awakened the following morning.

Any other suggestions?

[dannyk13]

AH, as you continue to read things in my post that at not there I will take my leave.

[Gromit]

You all seem to be making the assumption that alleged rapist and victim were strangers to each other.
Most rape victims know their attacker.
My take is that they were colleagues, and the bloke got *** and forced himself on his colleague.

[andy-hughes]

Gromit - // You all seem to be making the assumption that alleged rapist and victim were strangers to each other. //

The link confirms that the two people did not know each other prior to boarding, but exchanged conversation and had a drink, or drinks, together.

[Prudie]

Of course good AB form is not to judge and if you do then be on the victim's side. Unless you've never flown this story is ludicrous. Not everyone would have been asleep (I wouldn't have been), cabin crew would have been there too so the idea that a man can clamber over seats and passengers and force himself on someone without someone noticing is laughable. She must have been very drunk and now trying to back track.

[andy-hughes]

danny - // AH, as you continue to read things in my post that at not there I will take my leave. //

Don't disparage yourself - your post, and your interpretation of what we can see from the link, are perfectly clear.

I am not reading anything you have not said, but if you prefer not to defend your position, I will draw my own conclusion from that.

[Neveracrossword]

A-H at 11.40, what led you to believe - and say - that Danny 'wanted to assume the woman was at fault'?

[Sqad]

I would say that sexual advances, wanted and unwanted are not that uncommon on longhaul flights and I would be interested to hear the opinion of 237SJ as she is a member of the cabin staff.

Well after a decade ago, Singapore Airlines put in sleepers in first class, but after complaints from cabin staff that they were being propositioned, the Airlines had to rethink their policy.

This has happened to me on a flight to the Far East, when a women complained to Mrs sqad that she was receiving unwanted sexual advances from the guy sitting next to and Mrs sqad suggested that I should swap seats with her.
I didn't receive any advances as I could only assume that he didn't fancy me.

I think that it is not uncommon for these situations to arise on flights, often fuelled by alcohol consumption.

[dannyk13]

NAC, don't bother yourself.AH is just doing what he does best i.e cause an argument.

[Neveracrossword]

Thanks, Danny. I read and re-read your post and was unable to see the reasoning behind A-H's assertion.

[piggynose]

For what it's worth I agree with Prudie.

[andy-hughes]

Prudie - // Of course good AB form is not to judge and if you do then be on the victim's side. //

That's not 'AB good form', but if there is a victim, and at this stage that has not been established, then 'siding' with them is simply common decency




// Unless you've never flown this story is ludicrous. Not everyone would have been asleep (I wouldn't have been), cabin crew would have been there too so the idea that a man can clamber over seats and passengers and force himself on someone without someone noticing is laughable. She must have been very drunk and now trying to back track. //

She may have been too terrified to move, or make a sound - but hey, let's assume she's a drunken slapper who's thought better of it.

Go sisterhood!!

[roadman]

Prudie spend much time in first class do you?

[andy-hughes]

Never - // A-H at 11.40, what led you to believe - and say - that Danny 'wanted to assume the woman was at fault'? //

Danny begins his post with the words 'Seems a bit iffy though ...' - his reasoning being that the lady should have made a noise.

The assumption is, not that she may have been assaulted - and the police are taking that accusation seriously enough to investigate, but that she was consensual because she didn;t make a noise or fight, and it is 'likely' that she was drunk.

Why is it 'likely' she was drunk?

Why is she at fault - and danny clearly implies that she is?

That is what lead me to post as I did.

[andy-hughes]

danny - // NAC, don't bother yourself.AH is just doing what he does best i.e cause an argument. //

I am not trying to cause an argument, i am challenging the view of yourself and others, that's debate not 'causing an argument'.

I thought you were 'taking your leave'?

[roadman]

u have to admit dannys comment is suggesting that the man didnt rape the woman and for andy to take offense to that is understandable very right on of him to stand up for social injustices

[dannyk13]

AH//
I thought you were 'taking your leave'?//
I am from your argumentative posts/

[roadman]

it doesnt have to be this way andy and danny maybe your points have been made and now we can move on from them

[anneasquith]

So much speculation.
Be patient for the real details .

[dannyk13]

Roadman, I have moved on on or rather off.

[andy-hughes]

roadman - // u have to admit dannys comment is suggesting that the man didnt rape the woman and for andy to take offense to that is understandable very right on of him to stand up for social injustices //

I am not 'taking offence'.

I am taking issue with the willingness of several posters on here, some of them female, to automatically assume that the woman is at fault, and has got drunk, had sex, and then cried 'rape'.

Don;t get me wrong, that may be exactly what happened.

But I believe that to assume that the woman must be the culprit because she didn't make a noise is frankly a baffling position, given the number of media stories where rape victims advise that they absolutely were too traumatised to move or make a sound.

I have spoken to enough rape victims to have some insight - i think it would be nice if some of the ladies on here were a little more willing not to jump to the stereotypical conclusions that impede so many women from reporting rape when it happens to them.